Dogfighting -does 4.11-4.12 patch address this?

[Derda508]

Nice vids and well flown, Ice

But I don´t think it will convince sombody who refuses to be convinced and does not even read what people are writing to him (which nicely supports the point I made about "believers"). In a previous post I openly admitted that I am a bad pilot. I get shot down all the time, I just don´t put the blame on the game or some sinister TD mastermind. I know it is because I am to lazy to do some proper training.
Most probably now you will be accused to cheat evn more than AI does ...

[gaunt1]

So, my own test (no track sorry)

8 Bf-109G6 early (Veteran) vs 8 La-5FN (Veteran), 2000m
I deliberately replaced the Spitfire with the La-5, because the soviet fighter is far more dangerous, especially at that altitude, and especially because it has unrealistic, overmodeled FM.

First, some facts:

- Bf-109G6 is ABSOLUTELY no match for a La-5FN, it has far worse flight characteristics in every imaginable aspects, at any altitude.
- Im not a good pilot, mediocre at best.
- I usually fly Yaks and Japanese planes, and sometimes P-51 or Spitfire. (besides bombers)
- I dont have much experience with the Bf-109 (because I hate it)

Result: I survived for about 4-5 minutes. During that time, I even managed one kill, but almost immediately, another Lavochkin (not the wingman of the downed one, he was from the second flight) quicky got in my back. I managed to hold him, primarily with barrel rolls, he exhausted all his ammo supply, while I got only a few hits, without noticeable damage. Unfortunately, a second La-5 shot me down after this. End result: 6-6, two planes returned to base from both flights.

Conclusion: While the chance of survival in the above setup is very low, and AI can cheat with its immunity to G, and with an overmodeled UFO aircraft (La-5FN), the myth that AI kills you with one salvo in a few seconds is BUSTED!

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Derda508

Nice vids and well flown, Ice

But I don´t think it will convince sombody who refuses to be convinced and does not even read what people are writing to him (which nicely supports the point I made about "believers"). In a previous post I openly admitted that I am a bad pilot. I get shot down all the time, I just don´t put the blame on the game or some sinister TD mastermind. I know it is because I am to lazy to do some proper training.
Most probably now you will be accused to cheat evn more than AI does ...

Thanks

No, it probably won't but I decided after my first post that... hey... lets just do this thing and record it. Me doing a 8 v 8 with various fighters is just a normal thing I like to do to keep my flying semi-sharp. I rarely have time to get in any serious time these days but last night I was wired from working late (totally had a second wind) so I did it anyways.

Plus I had fun.

[X-Raptor]

Originally Posted by IceFire

You want to know what... I'll bite.

Posted to my SkyDrive: http://sdrv.ms/1bvdY5p

First two are 8 Spitfire F.IX 1942 vs 8 Bf109G-2...everyone is a Veteran.

Third is 8 Spitfire LF.IXe (clipped) +25lb boost vs Bf109K-4...once again everyone is a Veteran.

The first two I take a bit of damage and still manage to score some kills. Spitfires are victorious and I get anywhere between 1.5 to 3 kills on those. With the LF.IXe I turned that into a 4 planes shot by this guy. Got a bit lucky with the one Bf109K-4 who missed me and then I shot him! The G-2 are really the more dangerous fighters... the K-4 are less agile and just don't do well in a stand up fight. The AI isn't good enough to really make the most of this aircraft. They are definitely better at the G-2 but this is largely the same in the online world. The Veterans you see there are what I'd call above average but fairly typical in skill level to what I see from veteran IL-2 players. Ace AI are like some of the top players I've seen.

I utilize my wingman when I can although once the fight gets started all bets are off. My poor wingmate did die in the second one... shot to oblivion by a 109G-2 while I was trying to close the gap.

Any questions?

EDIT: Oh... and I still want to see you do it. Or not.

ok m8, you then are an ACE player..congrats..probably you have the lucy to stay many hours of day with your joystick in the hands and you can manage to win even with all those cheats made by uber A.I. created by TD.
But this not solve the matter that people like you are rare, and general average player folks (like me..) continue to be frustrate to see this UBER- CHEAT A.I. (and more and more after every DT paches..). regards.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by X-Raptor

ok m8, you then are an ACE player..congrats..probably you have the lucy to stay many hours of day with your joystick in the hands and you can manage to win even with all those cheats made by uber A.I. created by TD.
But this not solve the matter that people like you are rare, and general average player folks (like me..) continue to be frustrate to see this UBER- CHEAT A.I. (and more and more after every DT paches..). regards.

You know at this point I feel like saying "awwwwww" but I won't.

I'm not an Ace player. I can point you towards some ace players but they are not me. I'm not bad and I have experience which does count but I would only consider myself well rounded and with some degree of experience. I work full time (sometimes more than full time), own a house, and keep a very busy social schedule. Time for IL-2 is pretty limited these days

If you are getting shot down by veteran piloted aircraft in ever battle then its because of one thing: You. That's not to say that you can't improve and do better. Because you can and you will if you practice a bit. Sure it takes time and its a great hobby when you get downtime.

As far as the AI is concerned... the AI veterancy levels are great for both players and for mission builders. When I build campaigns my philosophy is this: Rookie and Normal are your typical pilots with minimal or average amounts of combat experience and typical of your average player. Veteran is what it says... an experienced combat veteran. Ace AI is a gifted pilot... the equivalent of Galland, Kozhedub, Gabreski, Beurling, etc.

The AI is not perfect and to some degree it does cheat because its AI and not a human player. But not in the way that you've stated and more importantly its not impossible to play against.

If you are an average pilot then you should set your QMB up with rookie and normal AI pilots. A veteran pilot should be a challenge if you're still getting started and learning the ropes. And its good that there are challenges because its good to raise the bar and be challenged. Only then can you improve.

If you find the AI pilots to be an issue then I encourage you to spend some time online. You'll see performances that exceed anything that the AI can do.

Also... since you said we should ante up and show you some tracks of how we were doing it. Lets see yours. We'll either see the AI cheating or we might be able to help you improve your technique... if that's what you're interested in.