Announcement of the game "IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad"

[Les]

Originally Posted by startrekmike

I know, I mean, I just get bummed out because a few specific users on this forum make it a point to keep fires burning for no reason other than to moan about something non-stop.

I mean, I get excited when I hear about new flight simulators coming to the market, we don't have a lot of developers left that are willing to tackle the genre so the thought of actually getting a new WWII sim is pretty amazing (considering the lukewarm response that the general public had to CloD), I would rather stay positive about BoS until it really proves itself to be less than what it is saying it is going to be.

So far, the few angry types on this forum have made it a point to keep staying as upset as possible for as long as possible and in the process have failed to see the actual progress that is being made, personally, I don't really understand what it gets them in the end, attention perhaps?

It is funny, if you bring up any other flight sim on this forum (other than to complain about it) you get called a shill but those same folks that are quick to accuse can't stop posting how bad other sims are.

I know I take this stuff more personally that I really should, I mean, I love flight simulation as a genre and it breaks my heart to see such petty attitudes about something that nobody here as even so much as seen in anything but a very early alpha state.

I suppose it is just the internet, that is how it is.

The fires of resentment will be burning for as long as people can play 'Cliffs Of Dover' and see what could have been. In time it will fade, but people have had a game/series they play and like and followed for years discontinued and it's sequel/s denied them. It's human nature that they'll complain about it and ignorance to pretend or expect otherwise.

The 'moaning' you're referring to though, in reaction to news about other games, pales to nothing when compared to the amount of relentless moaning undertaken on these forums in the past by those who did nothing but continuously and maliciously put 'Cliffs Of Dover' down as it struggled to survive. While some here just played the game and made the most of it and accentuated the positives while waiting for more powerful hardware to be released and for the devs to fix and add features, others took it upon themselves to obsessively complain and niggle and badmouth the game at every possible opportunity. This place was rife with exactly the kind of trolling/moaning you're referring to, only it was anti 'Cliffs Of Dover' (on 'Cliffs Of Dovers' own forums no less) and amplified to an insane degree. So in that context it's the height of hypocrisy to complain now about people not being receptive to news about 777 Studio's efforts. And in any case, the moderators are doing a good job now at keeping things from getting out of hand, so, if I were you I'd probably just take my own advice and let it go, or risk coming across like a troll myself.

As for the excitement of another flight simulator coming to market and there not being a lot of developers willing to tackle the genre, well I imagine some people were equally excited about the prospect of Maddox Games own BOM coming out as a sequel to 'Cliffs Of Dover'. And while one developer stepped into the ring, another bowed out, so what does that add up to?

In my opinion, I don't think there's anyone here who wouldn't have welcomed what Ilya himself at one point called 'a bit of friendly competition', via 777's separate development of another WW2 combat flight sim. But that's not how it's worked out, and I think it would be easier to be more receptive to what 777 Studios are trying to do with BOM if they hadn't helped wipe out Maddox Games own efforts in the process.

I'm hoping 777's game turns out alright, but I followed closely for years the development of 'Battle Of Britain/Storm Of War/Cliffs Of Dover' and won't be doing that again for any game/sim. So I myself don't have a problem with people posting news about 777's BOM here, as that's the only way I'll know about it. But I see no point in repeatedly attacking or defending it. Just tell/show us what it actually is, as those facts come to light, and let us make up our own minds about it. Anything more than that, pro or anti, is trolling or flame-baiting and deserves moderation imo.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Les

The fires of resentment will be burning for as long as people can play 'Cliffs Of Dover' and see what could have been. In time it will fade, but people have had a game/series they play and like and followed for years discontinued and it's sequel/s denied them. It's human nature that they'll complain about it and ignorance to pretend or expect otherwise.

The 'moaning' you're referring to though, in reaction to news about other games, pales to nothing when compared to the amount of relentless moaning undertaken on these forums in the past by those who did nothing but continuously and maliciously put 'Cliffs Of Dover' down as it struggled to survive. While some here just played the game and made the most of it and accentuated the positives while waiting for more powerful hardware to be released and for the devs to fix and add features, others took it upon themselves to obsessively complain and niggle and badmouth the game at every possible opportunity. This place was rife with exactly the kind of trolling/moaning you're referring to, only it was anti 'Cliffs Of Dover' (on 'Cliffs Of Dovers' own forums no less) and amplified to an insane degree. So in that context it's the height of hypocrisy to complain now about people not being receptive to news about 777 Studio's efforts. And in any case, the moderators are doing a good job now at keeping things from getting out of hand, so, if I were you I'd probably just take my own advice and let it go, or risk coming across like a troll myself.

As for the excitement of another flight simulator coming to market and there not being a lot of developers willing to tackle the genre, well I imagine some people were equally excited about the prospect of Maddox Games own BOM coming out as a sequel to 'Cliffs Of Dover'. And while one developer stepped into the ring, another bowed out, so what does that add up to?

In my opinion, I don't think there's anyone here who wouldn't have welcomed what Ilya himself at one point called 'a bit of friendly competition', via 777's separate development of another WW2 combat flight sim. But that's not how it's worked out, and I think it would be easier to be more receptive to what 777 Studios are trying to do with BOM if they hadn't helped wipe out Maddox Games own efforts in the process.

I'm hoping 777's game turns out alright, but I followed closely for years the development of 'Battle Of Britain/Storm Of War/Cliffs Of Dover' and won't be doing that again for any game/sim. So I myself don't have a problem with people posting news about 777's BOM here, as that's the only way I'll know about it. But I see no point in repeatedly attacking or defending it. Just tell/show us what it actually is, as those facts come to light, and let us make up our own minds about it. Anything more than that, pro or anti, is trolling or flame-baiting and deserves moderation imo.

+1

I have a lot of respect for the abilities of 777 Studios programmers, and think they can bring a very good WW2 aircombat sim to market. However I don't have much respect for the backroom deals that transferred COD's funding to 777 Studios for the development of BOS. I appreciate the angst COD's investors must have had, and I know its just business, but the back stabbing/political crap never sits well.