Realism, whats missing?

[T}{OR]

Do you have a thread about this over at ED forums? If so, I'd like to see it.

At what speed and altitude were you doing this maneuver, and what fuel/weapon loadout (presumably empty). I'd like to try and replicate this in both IL2 and DCS.

[vpmedia]

A while ago the french Histomod team was working on realistic operating procedures for the 109's and other aircraft.

http://vk.com/video-4113931_163109128

[Buster_Dee]

Funny story. A friend was a P51 candidate in WW2 attending one of those experimental, abbreviated programs (don't recall which). He said several students never got past taxiing, crashing and burning to death instead (so, yes, torque, etc was brutal). He was relieved when the USAAF decided it could make enough pilots without this school, and closed it. He then became a combat engineer, and made one of the follow-up landings on D-Day. He still considered himself luckier than being in half-baked pilot training. Several years after his service, the Army grilled him for turning in a different serial-numbered weapon than he was issued. He wrote back that he had misplaced his in the surf while "distracted" on D-Day and, having found a trooper who could no longer use his, borrowed it. The Army returned an apology and thanked him for his service.

I knew him from work. The Military had contracted a P-51 to show their pilots "how badly" an aircraft can fly (they were spoiled by newer hardware). I can tell a Merlin from a long way off. Whenever that P51 was visiting, I would rush outside. Not once did I beat my friend to the parking lot--even though he was in his 70s at the time. We would stand together quietly until the a/c departed the area. He had no faith in his particular training, but he loved that airplane.

[Buster_Dee]

Sorry. Back to the topic. I will say this: sims can definitely work against real flight. I once hit the wrong rudder on landing roll-out because the twist grip rudder on my joystick had planted an opposite body movement in my head. My instructor knew the cause immediately and said "I want you to stop flying your simulator until you've finished training."

I bought rudder pedals instead.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Buster_Dee

Sorry. Back to the topic. I will say this, sims can definitey work against real flight. I once hit the wrong rudder on landing roll-out because the twist grip rudder on my joystick had planted an opposite body movement in my head. My instructor knew the cause immediately and said "I want you to stop flying your simulator until you've finished training."

I bought rudder pedals instead.

Probably the best reason I've ever heard for splurging on some rudder pedals!

[MaxGunz]

On realism the fact that IL-2 does not model 3D mass distribution leads to less than real rotational results.

[Treetop64]

Originally Posted by MaxGunz

On realism the fact that IL-2 does not model 3D mass distribution leads to less than real rotational results.

I'd be interested in seeing the MoI numbers, as well as all the other parameters.

At any rate, from the flight modelling point of veiw, I think the very point of "realism" in IL-2 isn't so much about getting the absolute correct results for a particular aircraft, as much as it is about getting the relative performance between all the aircraft in the game within an acceptable bracket.