Request tacticle help for USN planes

[Jumoschwanz]

Yet another thread where someone is disappointed that they can not win against the enemies aircraft by "dogfighting".

Always in the face of incredible overwhelming history that says dogfighting was far down the list of things that won the air war in WWII.

The United States and USSR advantage in WWII air combat was either in teamwork and/or overwhelming production capability. Japan was a tiny island and Germany was a tiny country, both with very limited resources.

It was the rare exception in WWII when an allied pilot with sensational flying ability was able to successfully dogfight with an experience Japanese pilot in a Japanese aircraft.
There are so many books, essays and articles filled with how the allied aircraft's advantage lay in speed and teamwork that it would take you a lifetime to read them all, but the ones everyone looks at are the very few where some good allied pilot used his bag of tricks to get his SBD, Wildcat, Hellcat etc. to fly toe to toe with some Jap pilot of questionable skill.

The only way to beat Aces flying Jap planes is to use an advantage in E or numbers, or to exploit a weakness in the AI.

All the bad things that ever happened to this sim have had allied Fan-Boys at the root of it, complaining that they can not dogfight with Axis craft, or that their machine guns for some reason are not as powerful as CANNONS. They will look for anyway to get things done except for the way it was done in history, including hacking the official patches of IL2.

[MaxGunz]

Originally Posted by Jumoschwanz

Yet another thread where someone is disappointed that they can not win against the enemies aircraft by "dogfighting".

Always in the face of incredible overwhelming history that says dogfighting was far down the list of things that won the air war in WWII.

The United States and USSR advantage in WWII air combat was either in teamwork and/or overwhelming production capability.

Untrue. Both the US and USSR made faster planes in time to often have the equal or better plane to the German ones. Dogfighting ... see what the highest scoring German Aces wrote about dogfighting. Numbers ... East Front 1941-1942 ... who had the numbers and the faster planes?

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Dogfighting is for biplanes and beginners.

Japan was a tiny island and Germany was a tiny country, both with very limited resources.

They picked the fight.

It was the rare exception in WWII when an allied pilot with sensational flying ability was able to successfully dogfight with an experience Japanese pilot in a Japanese aircraft.
There are so many books, essays and articles filled with how the allied aircraft's advantage lay in speed and teamwork that it would take you a lifetime to read them all, but the ones everyone looks at are the very few where some good allied pilot used his bag of tricks to get his SBD, Wildcat, Hellcat etc. to fly toe to toe with some Jap pilot of questionable skill.

Stanley Vejtasa in an SBD took 3 Zeros down in a fight with many. He had a much slower and less maneuverable plane and they had numbers. Please re-iterate how the Allies only won through numbers. That was October 1942. Would you say that Japan had so few good pilots then that none of those were attackers were good?

In every air force there are the few that count for half or more of all victories. But while it's okay to champion Joachim Marseilles it is bad to champion Joe Foss? It must be so if you feel so bad over what are no more than little boy's arguments for national pride.

The only way to beat Aces flying Jap planes is to use an advantage in E or numbers, or to exploit a weakness in the AI.

All the bad things that ever happened to this sim have had allied Fan-Boys at the root of it, complaining that they can not dogfight with Axis craft, or that their machine guns for some reason are not as powerful as CANNONS. They will look for anyway to get things done except for the way it was done in history, including hacking the official patches of IL2.

Have you forgotten the first YEARS of IL2? Russian Lazers? My FW doesn't turn fast enough. My 109 can't do this thing in my book. German whine and Russian cheese on German and English forums while on Russian forums the tastes reversed.

Maybe you are not forgetting. Maybe you didn't arrive until later but that's how it went.

[Igo kyu]

The best boom and zoom planes were axis (German), the best turn and burn planes were axis (Japanese (or did the Hurricane really out-turn them as it does in this sim?)).

To say the axis has only turn and burn planes, is as silly as to say they only had boom and zoom planes, they had both, but they weren't the same planes or in the same theatres.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by MaxGunz

Dogfighting is for biplanes and beginners.

Cobblers, dogfighting is for the guy in the plane that turns best. You have to know which plane is which.

[MaxGunz]

LOL, turning ability and the power to keep it up are relative and as in all cases depends on the pilot. Angles fighting limits options by wasting energy. It has far less potential than energy fighting.

[JtD]

Originally Posted by Jumoschwanz

The United States and USSR advantage in WWII air combat was either in teamwork and/or overwhelming production capability.

and/or better performing aircraft, better trained pilots, better logistics, better weapons, tougher aircraft, better strategic and/or tactical doctrine, better recon and/or whatnotelse. I don't really know what kind of statement you were trying to make, but taking it at face value, it is far from the truth.

[K_Freddie]

Originally Posted by Jumoschwanz View Post
The United States and USSR advantage in WWII air combat was either in teamwork and/or overwhelming production capability.

Originally Posted by JtD

and/or better performing aircraft, better trained pilots, better logistics, better weapons, tougher aircraft, better strategic and/or tactical doctrine, better recon and/or whatnotelse. I don't really know what kind of statement you were trying to make, but taking it at face value, it is far from the truth.

Really JtD... I expected more insight/historical knowledge from you