Another question for TD..

Lagarto · #1 05-08-2013, 10:52 AM

Indeed target selection by AI is kind of unrealistic. For example, when attacking a stream of bombers (I'm talking about DGen campaign, not a FMB mission), they pick up a bomber somewhere at the front of the stream, and desperately try to get to it, oblivious to all others they pass by. Of course they never get that far because they are shot to pieces by gunners from all other bombers they try to ignore. It's most evident with B-17s which have so much defensive firepower.
It would also be great to 'teach' AI head-on attacks on heavy bombers.

majorfailure · #2 05-08-2013, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lagarto

Indeed target selection by AI is kind of unrealistic. For example, when attacking a stream of bombers (I'm talking about DGen campaign, not a FMB mission), they pick up a bomber somewhere at the front of the stream, and desperately try to get to it, oblivious to all others they pass by. Of course they never get that far because they are shot to pieces by gunners from all other bombers they try to ignore. It's most evident with B-17s which have so much defensive firepower.
It would also be great to 'teach' AI head-on attacks on heavy bombers.

And IF they accidentally do get to it, then one shoots his entire ammoload at it and sets it on fire, the second one ignores this and shoots at the bomber too, which by then burns from more than tank and so on.
Target priority algorhytms of the AI currently are bad. And while the enemy AI does work as a team, your own flight does not. And contrary to real life you can't even communicate with them...

IceFire · #3 05-09-2013, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by majorfailure

And IF they accidentally do get to it, then one shoots his entire ammoload at it and sets it on fire, the second one ignores this and shoots at the bomber too, which by then burns from more than tank and so on.
Target priority algorhytms of the AI currently are bad. And while the enemy AI does work as a team, your own flight does not. And contrary to real life you can't even communicate with them...

I definitely understand this and how it doesn't make any sense at all to shoot at a burning bomber. I curse the AI while I'm offline... and then I take a step online and what do I see? Three guys all jockeying for position shooting at a burning bomber.

I do think the AI targeting could be more teamwork oriented... but I'd argue against it being too logical or absolute. Humans aren't all that logical

shelby · #4 05-09-2013, 08:27 AM

Can i ask something else?
What is the difference between the pe-8 and the tb-7 or db-3f and il-4?

JtD · #5 05-09-2013, 09:38 AM

The Pe-8 and TB-7 are basically two designations for the same aircraft, as are DB-3 and Il-4. Essentially TB-7 and DB-3 are early designations, Pe-8 and Il-4 late ones.

However, there were subversions that differed from one another. In game we have a Pe-8 with AM-35 engines, and a TB-7 with M-40F diesel engines, which is the key difference here. The main differences between the Il-4 and the DB-3F are the fourth crew member and the upper turret, mounting a 12.7mm gun instead of the 7.62mm gun.

majorfailure · #6 05-09-2013, 10:31 AM

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I definitely understand this and how it doesn't make any sense at all to shoot at a burning bomber. I curse the AI while I'm offline... and then I take a step online and what do I see? Three guys all jockeying for position shooting at a burning bomber.

I do think the AI targeting could be more teamwork oriented... but I'd argue against it being too logical or absolute. Humans aren't all that logical

Yeah but that's point-whoring - and because some human ONLINE pilots do it does not excuse the AI. I'd bet that in real life a pilot shooting at a burning plane while there were still plenty of undamaged targets would have had to explain his behaviour to his commander. AI targeting could be at least improved for veteran and ace level. They should know better. There is some more odd behaviour with AI targeting. A nearly undamaged plane with only a dead pilot flying straight and level will not be engaged by anyone -not even FlaK. The AI shouldn't be able to "see" a dead pilot until very close - and maybe even shoot at the plane.

ElAurens · #7 05-09-2013, 11:37 AM

All this is why I almost never fly offline.

The AI cheat, cheat all the time, and do nothing but cheat.

I'd rather be shot down by a human that had to actually work for it that by my own computer, which is what the AI are.