4.12 development update discussion and feedback

[christopher0936]

Originally Posted by IceFire

Vaporware is where the audience is concerned that the product doesn't actually exist outside of a couple of mocked up screen shots and a lot of PR banter.

Instead there are real screen shots (and videos) and not a lot of PR banter. Juts folks busy working hard on something just a little bit complicated. This isn't TD's first rodeo... it'll be fine.

im worried it will be cancelled thats what im saying

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by christopher0936

im worried it will be cancelled thats what im saying

How on earth did you get to that train of thought?

[christopher0936]

Originally Posted by IceFire

How on earth did you get to that train of thought?

i thought vapourware was where something is half developed and just abandoned

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by christopher0936

i thought vapourware was where something is half developed and just abandoned

Yep.. and usually not actually developed beyond the early stages. It's where the advertising campaign announces a product far too early into its development where almost nothing exists and the product wallows in development obscurity for many years before quietly fizzling out.

Duke Nukem Forever was in that state for something like 12 or 13 years...

Anyways... back on the subject of 4.12. Why would you think that 4.12 is going to be somehow cancelled?

[stugumby]

For the hard working members of team diadelos, how much time do you spend actually flying and enjoying vs making/tweaking etc. is more of your enjoy time on or off line, and do any of you build missions or campaigns/skin etc??
I myself used to make lots of off line campaigns and single missions until work schedule changed, now im lucky to get 4 hours a week online and 2-3 offline.

[christopher0936]

Originally Posted by IceFire

Yep.. and usually not actually developed beyond the early stages. It's where the advertising campaign announces a product far too early into its development where almost nothing exists and the product wallows in development obscurity for many years before quietly fizzling out.

Duke Nukem Forever was in that state for something like 12 or 13 years...

Anyways... back on the subject of 4.12. Why would you think that 4.12 is going to be somehow cancelled?

lack of players I love the sim but i dont know anyone IRL who has heard of it

[Treetop64]

Originally Posted by christopher0936

lack of players I love the sim but i dont know anyone IRL who has heard of it

The world extends beyond your circle of influence. It's not going to be cancelled.

Many of us have been around long enough to know better.

[bf-110]

Long time I was away from IL2.Any news...?

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by christopher0936

lack of players I love the sim but i dont know anyone IRL who has heard of it

Sims are a niche product... but IL-2 is far from dead. Go on HyperLobby any weekend and see the numbers of servers and COOPs running. Plus all of the folks who just play single player and don't always speak up a whole lot.

You may or may not know but IL-2s current development is done by Team Daidalos - a collection of volunteers with the knowledge and talents required to work on something as complex as this is. The only impediment is really time and interest...there isn't a yearly budget that will run out. Sometimes patches take a while but there is a ton of love being poured into this and there's enough content in the pipe to span into 4.13... surely.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by christopher0936

I'm getting worried about vaporware....

Can a patch for an already developed product be considered vaporware?

Originally Posted by christopher0936

Im a noob to the forum... DUH

You have to forgive these guys.. there was a jerk on another board here who actually created a new identity .. so he could argue with himself .. LOL So bear with these guys..

Originally Posted by christopher0936

im worried it will be cancelled thats what im saying

You shouldn't worry about that .. and frankly even if it were cancelled today and there was no more support forthcoming for IL2 .. what we have would be monumental and something that will probably never be achieved again in the genre.

Originally Posted by christopher0936

i thought vapourware was where something is half developed and just abandoned

See above.. this is a fully developed sim already .. these patches are ongoing development (icing) but the finished product is realized (the cake is baked).

Originally Posted by IceFire

Sims are a niche product... but IL-2 is far from dead. Go on HyperLobby any weekend and see the numbers of servers and COOPs running. Plus all of the folks who just play single player and don't always speak up a whole lot.

You may or may not know but IL-2s current development is done by Team Daidalos - a collection of volunteers with the knowledge and talents required to work on something as complex as this is. The only impediment is really time and interest...there isn't a yearly budget that will run out. Sometimes patches take a while but there is a ton of love being poured into this and there's enough content in the pipe to span into 4.13... surely.

Even in it's heyday there were still a lot of folks who had no idea about IL2. Hyperlobby is not a good indicator though.. at one time Hyperlobby would be packed in the thousands.. Now it is rare that it goes over the 500 mark.. but like IF said... this sim is far from being dead or even near death.. In fact it is probably the only 12 year old flight sim still getting new users almost daily..