Fw 190 - numbers for A-8 and A-9

[Crumpp]

Obviously you have not followed those links you keep posting. There is no type specific data for orders of battle beyond December 1944 on that website, fruit bat.

Find something else instead of parroting the same non- relevant information.


Wait a minute, you can't. All you can do is antagonize in the hopes the thread gets shut down.

It is a fact that all the available detailed data for 1945 shows the Fw-190A9 normal fighter replacing the Fw-190A8 normal fighter in Geschwaders operating Anton fighters.

Weird that fact conforms to Focke Wulf, GmbH stated plans and why they even built an Fw-190A9.

Crazy world, huh!

[MaxGunz]

Considering the improved performance of the A-9 over the A-8 at least as portrayed in IL-2 now, why wouldn't they switch over?

Buuuuuut when it comes to shooting down bombers, perhaps the extra armor on the A-8 is worth more. It's not like the bombers were outrunning and outmanuevering them.

I don't expect the Germans to have done the smartest things with their fighter production given how they never had an equivalent to fighter command (as Galland asked for) and spent more time avoiding Hitler's wrath than getting things right. There was also "Buddy" Milsch sabotaging development in favor of ground forces and I dunno how many little intrigues that held up the real air advances that were eventually seen in the 262 but too little and too late.

[MiloMorai]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

It is a fact that all the available detailed data for 1945 shows the Fw-190A9 normal fighter replacing the Fw-190A8 normal fighter in Geschwaders operating Anton fighters.

You haven't posted any detailed data to support your claim Crumpp.

[K_Freddie]

He (or somebody) actually posted this years ago

[MiloMorai]

From Six Months to Oblivion by Werner Girbig.

units flying Fw190As at the time of surrender

IV./JG3 - A-8s and A-9s
II./JG4 - A-8s and A-9s
III./JG5 - G-14s and A-8s
II./JG6 - A-8s and D-9s
III./JG11 - A-8s
Stab JG51 - A-8s
II./JG54 - A-8s
II./JG300 - A-8s and A-9s
I./JG301 - A-8s, A-9s and D-9s
III./JG301 - A-8s and A-9s

Three units were flying exclusively A-8s.
Four units flew a mix of A-8s and A-9s.
Two unit flew a mix of A-8s and other a/c.
One unit flew a mix of A-8s, A-9s and D-9s.

The limiting factor of R11 production was either the radio or (more likely) the autopilot (I doubt it was the windscreen) and, like the A9 with it's engines, there likely would have been more made if more components were available. And there is no reason at all that the R11 wouldn't have been used on normal daylight missions with other "normal" fighters. All we're talking about (physical difference) is a larger radio and an autopilot. This opinion (and that's all it is, frankly) is based on my research on all-weather 109 numbers and use.

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Quick infos from me:

JG1 'Oesau' losses of Fw 190 A-8 in only 1945: 52 (Jan: 39 | Feb: 10 | Mart: 3)
JG1 'Oesau' losses of Fw 190 A-9 in only 1945: 15 (Jan: 10 | Feb: 4 | Mart: 1)
JG1 'Oesau' losses of Fw 190 D-9 in only 1945: 2 (Jan: 2 | Feb: 0 | Mart: 0)

19x A-8 and NO Fw 190 A-9 of JG1 were shot down during operation 'Bodenplatte', the majority of all other went down during combat with fighters.

In 1944 its even much more evident, that Fw 190 A-8 was the mainly used type in JG1.
I can count the numbers, if anyone needs it, but its much more than in 1945, naturally.

EDIT: In 1945, JG1 flew also mainly Bf 109 G-14 (14 lost), very rarly Bf 109 G-6 (2 lost), K-4 (2 lost) ... and He162 (11 lost).

[MiloMorai]

Thanks Caspar, good info.

Would it be possible to post the monthly losses for the A-8s and A-9s?

[MiloMorai]

Originally Posted by zipper

The limiting factor of R11 production was either the radio or (more likely) the autopilot (I doubt it was the windscreen) and, like the A9 with it's engines, there likely would have been more made if more components were available. And there is no reason at all that the R11 wouldn't have been used on normal daylight missions with other "normal" fighters. All we're talking about (physical difference) is a larger radio and an autopilot. This opinion (and that's all it is, frankly) is based on my research on all-weather 109 numbers and use.

So right zipper, especially considering the weather conditions over Europe at that time of year.

[1984]

here little about bodenplatte on russian, but, if i'm not mistaken, from not-russian books - personally i counted 27 a-9 from 1446 planes in total...