Luftwaffe bombers

[SPAD-1949]

Originally Posted by gaunt1

Why dont they look for an another modeler? That guy is rather greedy. Those prices are insane!

Compare it with this model of a russian radar truck:
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/...d-model/571529

More than 270.000 polygons, looks incredibly detailed and only 160 USD!

Anyway, looks like they still need references. Can anyone link this page to them? The books above contain everything they need for gunner cockpits.

Thats not the fault oft the first guy.
10 or 20 hours of work are gone easily

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by gaunt1

More than 270.000 polygons, looks incredibly detailed and only 160 USD!

Can he make it with less, then 10 000 triangles without any loss of visual quality? Can he make it exactly to the tech.specs, so it would export in the game engine smoothly? Does he knows what LODs are?

No? That's the point. And this is just a few of a lot more "can he...?" questions. High-polygon modeling of a random subject is a completely different thing, then making a low-polygon model of a specific subject according to a strict technical requirements and high accuracy to the RL prototype.

He-177 cockpit models (7 work stations, if I am not mistaken) made to the "IL-2" game standards would require about 160-200 men-hours per each cockpit model. What is a cost of 1 work hour in your country? How much 7x160 would cost then? Do you still think, this guy is greedy?

[Liz Lemon]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

He-177 cockpit models (7 work stations, if I am not mistaken) made to the "IL-2" game standards would require about 160-200 men-hours per each cockpit model. What is a cost of 1 work hour in your country? How much 7x160 would cost then? Do you still think, this guy is greedy?

When you say it takes 160-200 man hours for a pit in a 177, what does that mean; Just the 3d model, or the textures as well? Is animation included?

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by Liz Lemon

When you say it takes 160-200 man hours for a pit in a 177, what does that mean; Just the 3d model, or the textures as well? Is animation included?

It's modeling, texturing and engine conversion. Animation in IL-2 game is done via Java programing by rotating/moving respective parts around/along preset axles (which were set by a modeler) in a game's 3D world. So, animation is is not modeler's work in this game, so it wasn't included.

Also, it should be noted, that this is not just a simple modeling and painting textures. Since in many cases the references are scarce, some parts are often missing, or damaged on a reference pictures, etc., modeler would have to conduct a lots of research work, while building a model of a historical object. Which requires at least some knowledge of technology and structural design of such RL object.

[Buster_Dee]

I don't think high-poly models are over-priced for the work that goes into them, but I do question their usefulness. And, just because they are pretty does not always mean they are well-researched. Still, I guess it doesn't hurt to test the waters.

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

In fact, all of the models in IL-2 are low-poly (comparibly). And that would be reasonable for the whole game industry.

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by Buster_Dee

I don't think high-poly models are over-priced for the work that goes into them, but I do question their usefulness.

In regard to gaming industry, very detailed high-poly models are often used to generate texture, shadow and normal maps for a low-poly variant of the same in-game character. This technique rarely used for mechanical objects, because in their case, it is easier to do by hand in 2D editor.
But for "organic" models, like humans, animals, etc. this hi-to-low-poly modeling is preferable technique. Plus, the "left-over" high-poly models can be used for making pre-rendered in-game cut scenes with those characters form the game.

And, offcourse, there are a lot of other applications for the high-poly models outside the gaming industry.