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02-19-2013, 12:53 PM
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 , i clearly written what book by nudelman, in addition to other sources which posted here before, confirms what exactly n-37 was tested on yak-9 in 44, and not ns-37, but book not really detailed...and what book by nudelman confirms with quote from document, in addition to another document which i posted here before, what lagg-3 with ns-37 had 36 shells for ns-37, instead 20 shells (check again, in 4.09, 22 in fact) in game which correctly only for early laggs with sh-37, which no in game... 2 quotes from two documents from two time periods - just tests'42 and combat tests'43 - it's really research and help and, personally i think, enough for correction what very easy to do and really important, because 16 shells it's almost half of ammoload... plus, in fact, my opinion need to give different belts like "only AP", "only HE", "2 ap - he" and "2 he - 1 ap" or something like this, but at first time, at least, correct ammoload for guns like 36/170 (for UBS, maybe, more, but no info about this)... and sorry, maybe it's my english and type of thinking, but and i all times can't understand where real problem because it's not chinese or russian even now, plus i try to give pics, only some original quotes, and sources... well, let's see what will be next... 
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02-19-2013, 06:11 PM
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by the way, about ammunition for il-2s - 300 in total for il-2 with vya-23 it's correct, but in tests, reports and even original manuals for il-2 with shvaks all times 400-420 shells in total... ie apparently 500 it's full capacity of ammoboxes, weight limit or something like this, and typical ammoload around 400, although for il-2 two-seaters with shvaks in tests 500 shells in total... well, i mean, apparently need fix ammoloads for il-2s again... and little about i-185 - in game i-185-71 have performance of etalon ie 600 kph at sl (forsazh), so, apparently for these plane need to do 560 shells in total, MAYBE, because it's need to understand and it's not important at this moment...
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02-19-2013, 09:14 PM
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and interesting, in all tests of planes with m-105p/pa speed at sl with 1100 or 1020 ie for example, speed of serial yak-1 around 470-480 kph at sl can be more? apparently, just need to reread great "yak-1" by Kuznecov... Quote:
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in fact, quality, operation of planes and aerodynamics was even better, for example, for yak-9m new antenna, prop (maybe), maybe even because new ends of wings and have only one reason - фильтр-пылеулавливатель на входе в двигатель - ie filter at air intake against dust etc... my opinion, filter was like for la-7 (attached one of variants) and works similar - Quote:
well, maybe it's answer, but personally i think what it's not can be reason for -15-26 kph at sl and it's just too much for approval of VVS and simple filter... and interesting mention of filter for yak-1 (from "yak-1" by Kuznecov again) - Quote:
so, my opinion at this moment, as before, "518 kph" it's mainly because art-41... or it's speed of one plane of first? serie which was tested in dec'44 (plane could be old/repaired/with some first defects etc)... or error... or just i'm wrong or forgot something, but it's strange, personally for me no any clear answers and reasons why so, and i think we all can only guess or carefully read all what we have... for example, interesting quote about "vish-61p of 9 serie" whish was successfully tested in april'44 on yak-9-37 ie yak-9t, and yak have 544 kph at sl, and in end "suitable for installation on yak with ns-37" - Quote:
explanation can be in following report, but personally i not have this document - Quote:
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and just about ammunition for yaks - simple logical chain - yak-7b with high gargrot, m-105pa or m-105pf, had shvak (120 shells) + 2 UBS (left - 260 rounds, right - 140)... yak-7DI ie prototype of yak-9 had motor-cannon and LEFT UBS with recommended ammunition 140/240 ie similar with yak-1b of late series (135-140/220-240)... plus, yak-9t could have 32/220 and 120+220 for yak-9d from справочник основных данных самолетов'45... so, i think yaks-9 really had around 140+240 shells/rounds max., less it's restrictions for some reasons (weight, typical ammoload for all etc)... well, or i'm wrong in something... and just about yaks, need in addition to correctly front bulletproof glass (and maybe new rear glass), important things like "бензиномер" ie fuel gauges on wings, "солдатик" ie landing gear indicators on wings, mirror, window for release of cartridges, and other little things...
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02-19-2013, 09:38 PM
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)So... LaGG-3 IT with its 37mm has 20 rounds and it should be 36. I think I've got it. And 170 rounds for the UBS. Adjustable ammo belts would be amazing but it would also be a huge job. Still I'm sure it's possible with enough effort in research and coding to make it happen.
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02-20-2013, 10:43 AM
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in fact, about ammunition for lagg-3 it, personally i'm saw only these 2 quotes from 2 documents, apparently, better could be only in clear original documents, which are in archives, or some serious peoples have some other reports... Quote:
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02-20-2013, 06:24 PM
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about props for yak-9, it's was very old post
and now i remembered about "temporary technical description of aircraft yak-9", 1944 (approved on 27 may 1944, signed in print, apparently, on 7 july 1944), well, manual clearly says what vish-61p it's for yak-9, vish-105vs it's for yak-9 with ns-37...but, in fact, apparently it's just details, because and before all types of yaks had around 535 kph at sl and more... and what interesting, manual have clearly information about fuel load and oil load of yak-9d ie yak with 4 fuel tanks and special oil tank, full fuel load - 480 kg (310 in 2 "average" tanks, 170 in 2 "extreme" tanks, in total 480), oil load - 34 kg (oil system it's 14 kg ie 48 in total)... so, for example, yak-9m with full weight 3095 kg (max. weights which i saw it's 3117 kg, min. 3050 kg), as typical front fighter (- 170 kg of fuel and, apparently, - around 10-15 kg of oil) have around 2910 kg, in comparison with first series of yak-9 in 42-43 which had around 2875 kg (around 18.5 sec of turntime) instead around 2835 of prototype (16-17)... well, apparently, better aerodynamics and quality can give for yak-9m with around 2900 kg around 16-17 sec of turn time, plus, in end'44 vk-105pf2 gives for plane extra HPs, so... hmmm... wow......... but, it's only very simple calculations...
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02-22-2013, 12:37 AM
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honeslty after giving it a try i will say that im getting better with the very low ammo load
its just so tough to last a while online when you have to stick to very close range shots which often miss id say german planes are much better at sustained zoom tactics...... but then again as mentioned before russian planes were more escort and or defense and not free hunt like i like to fly also the mgs are actually a bit better then i always anticipated, i have actually got a few spits with very high deflection angles (close to 90degree), so i will say they are alot more respectable then i had previously believed them to be still 190s and anything armored is a pain in the arse to kill without cannons........maybee someone here has an idea how to kill em without gambling for luckshots with the single UBS
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02-22-2013, 01:11 AM
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03-12-2013, 10:40 PM
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some findings etc...
ONE of confirmations - 29:53 - yak-9t and only one type of shells, apparently, APs... and, by the way, just about shells for guns... hispano - 20x110, HE-shell - 130 g in total, around 10 g of explosives... right? well, of course, better than shvak what personally i and see in game... VYA-23 - 23x152, HE-shell - 201/15.6 - ie more explosives, almost like in minengeschoss if 18 g it's correctly, more weight ie more fragments which can damage pilot/fuel etc (it's fragment with weight around 5 g) and could be more fragments which can damage design of plane (it's fragment with weight around 20 g)... well, and personally i can't say what vya really better than hispano... or difference very little (like and with shvak vs hispano)... or i'm mistaken... pilot talks about repaired la-5 without sliding part of canopy, because pilot accidentally dropped this... i think plane really could flew without canopy (f. e. no new canopy for repair at moment of sortie) and, maybe, for fun need to do this like for german planes... oh, and he talks about polished la-5fn... well, some soviet pilots/regiments really no had too much combat sorties, so, i think it's could be not too rare cases, but and not really mass practice... my opinion, it's could be something like around 575-585 kph at sl of normal plane + 5-10... well, all this another explanation why in RL especially russian planes had very different performances (here interesting photo, look at wing and again, how looks front bullet proof of la-5fn)...about ammunition and ammo belts for cannons of all il-2s... for example, vya-23 and shvak were not AT guns, and can destroy only light and some middle tanks (or some tanks in some places), but HE/HEI shells of these guns for example can't destroy locomotive in train, so - apparently, because i don't have documents and use only logic, some photos and rumors - belts could be very different and depends on type of targets... if main target was front line/infantry/AA guns/trucks etc ie soft targets, in ammobelts main type was HE-shells or only he-shells, if targets were not soft targets like trains/tanks/251s etc, especially in 41-43, could be like "mainly AP" or something like this... shvak was not so powerful, so, apparently il-2s with shvaks could have mainly or only he shells in ammo belt... il-2s with ns-37, apparently, had belts like il-2s with vya-23... so, my opinion, need to do this and i think what old system of loads does not comply with requirements of historicity and gameplay... attached some examples (1, vya-23 and only HE shells, 2, can't understand, 3, wooden box with inscription "23 мм ОЗ" and really HEI shells)... here just how looks belt with AP shells for ns-37... here oruzheyniki s lentoy (apparently, 1 ap - 1 he), here apparently la-5 (1 he - 3 ap), here mainly HEs, here very interesting ammo belt of captured il-2 with vya-23 (personally i see APs and only one HE), here captured il-2 with shvaks (personally i see only HEs), here captured il-2 with different rockets (not sure, maybe, different fuses), here il-2 in 41-42 with something like m-13/rofs-132, here just how looks vya-23 in wing, here another captured il-2, here just il-2 with rockets, here mainly/only HEs, here only? HEs/HEIs, here different shells for shvak, here different shells for ns-37 (sometimes, 3 APs or HEs), here only or mainly one type (HEs?), here something like 3 AP - 1 HE?, here or here mainly AP shells, here can't understand, here only? APs (looks like il-2 two-seater with am-38f and new roketnye orudiya), here apparently mainly APs, well, and it's all what i found at this moment only in some sources... and, just interesting pics with il-2, here il-2 in flight (look at fairing of landing gear, here, better quality), here rs-132 "short", here attack of il-2...
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