will ai ever get so complex as to deserve rights?

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by swiss

1. Try not to post while you're drunk.
2. I'm not the anti christ(at least not that I know of) - but I have come to believe you're a die hard Christian.



A rational one.




Indeed, this is possible. There was an article covering this issue in a recent volume of NG - we're only still growing due to some countries. Among them was Brasil, India and Pakistan plus a belt in Africa going from North to South.
(Rem: The Chengs were not(!) among them)



Bro, we're NOT discussing the question how to feed the earth's population or how to fight famine - this issue could be solved, theoretically - if I remember correctly we could feed up to 13 billion people.
The question is: Do we really want that?
Resources are always limited, just imagine in how much destruction of our planet(well, not the planet but it's F&F) this will result!
Do you honestly believe we're that much the pride of creation we could justify that?

The major unsolved issue is the lack of old age provision in those countries, so they rely or their children to feed them during their final stage.
It's in a way perversely funny we have a financial system to solve this problem - but it relies on population growth too and will crash in the absence of it.
Snowball systems rock, don't they?



Thanks for the name calling.
I must ask you again how you came to the conclusion your suggestion never crossed my mind?
It did, and still does.

On the other hand I think not reproducing and trying to change people perspective of the issue is more result oriented than your suggestion.

im not christian...im of no religion i think religions are stupid and a scam...

guess what hitler thought his final solution was rational....and he didnt even think about killing 50% of the worlds population....even to hitler that would have been beyond extreme...

seriously if you think the world is overpopulated start locally...make a nuke in your garage and go to the capital city of your country...you can make the change that you want to see..

bill gates has your old age question solved as well...you see you can kill grandma and hire 10 teachers....combine that with his plan to use vaccines to lower population (his statement not mine) there you go...isnt bill gates a great guy!!! throws money around and the media swoons over him...while he talks about using vaccines (which conveniently go mostly to brown people and poor people) to lower population and killing the elderly to make more resources for the rest of us....

[swiss]

Hitler?
What comparison it that?
He never thought of reducing the population, his plan was to change the race of worlds population.
Actually you could draw parallels to your argumentation - he thought Arians were superior to all other ethnics, your argument is that man is superior to anything "below" us.
My point is: We're not. We're nothing but super smart(at least that is what we think we are), Apes - animals.
This fact doesn't entitle us to value the disease like spreading of our species higher than the life of all the other creatures who have to vanish for it.

btw: You may want to provide sources for your Bill Gates quote

seriously if you think the world is overpopulated start locally...make a nuke in your garage and go to the capital city of your country...you can make the change that you want to see..

Great input, thx.
Isn't that basically what I had suggested at the beginning of this discourse?

[raaaid]

here in spain education is public to become a teacher you pass exams and so far i passed all exams, and im not in antidepresants but have 1/50 dosis of antipsicotics

anyway my comment was not due to you swiss but i got pieced off due to meeting an abusive teacher this morning

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anyway swiss youre not making sense on the one hand you say mankind dont deserve to live(i guess mankind refers to hitler not gandhi) on the ohter hand you say we have to survive to whatever prize including a massive crime

[swiss]

Originally Posted by raaaid

anyway swiss youre not making sense on the one hand you say mankind dont deserve to live(i guess mankind refers to hitler not gandhi) on the ohter hand you say we have to survive to whatever prize including a massive crime

Huh?

on the ohter hand you say we have to survive

No, we don't.

[raaaid]

i see so youre a misantropus

did you know that kids to the age of two are highly altruistic but soon learn that behaviour is highly bad for this society? so i understand your point

so i guess humanity doesn deserve to live for being evil

but as a bum once said to me bad people is like the shadow so the good people the light can be seen

if humanity globally was everybody good it would suck so bad

how would you make action movies without baddies?

besides in rl as in movies the goodies usually win see wwii

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besides if i was a shrink id say by yyour comments you are worse than me, you have some bad self destructive tendencies as you shew saying you wouldnt mind to be decimated, i wish you improve

[tk471138]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03MZG9vK0W8

bill gates on record saying kill granny to hire teachers yea god forbid having to lay off teachers bill gates would rather have people die...

http://www.wnd.com/2010/03/127346/

bill gates saying use vaccines to LOWER population....hmmm and i thought the whole time that vaccines SAVE lives....their is video of him saying this directly if you are interested as well

[raaaid]

yeah we need teachers to indoctrinate people into not questioning

i think if i have kids and i dont want them brainwashed by the state through schools indoctrination but rather educate them myself theyll take them away

definitly my view of gates has just changed

[swiss]

Originally Posted by tk471138

bill gates on record saying kill granny to hire teachers yea god forbid having to lay off teachers bill gates would rather have people die...

Good lord!
All he said is it is doubtful if all the money we spend on virtually dead people couldnt be used more efficient?
Off course it can - HE IS RIGHT!


Why do you want to spend $30k a month(or more!) for a person which only got to live 5 more years? And of those 5 years left, he or she will be tied to bed, always. What kind of shitty life is that?
It's inefficient - you better listen to BG.

Rem:
Yes, I did sign a paper which forces my relatives to turn off any machines enhancing my life after 30days of unconsciousness.
That is, unless the medicos are extremely sure I'll get over it.
Little anecdote, my mother died of cancer, at our home. We, or rather my sorry father felt the need to enhance her life too. In the end, there was a 60pound skeleton lying in the bed. Stoned on morphine and the spirit long gone, leaking body fluids from every hole.
I could also describe the smell in this room if you want me to(?)
And then finally, one morning he decided to turn off the machines, what a relieve.
Seriously, just because medical technology gives us the chance to prolong life after a point where it really isnt anymore - we dont always have to opt for it, right?

[raaaid]

yeah i dont even go to the doctor even if in bad pain you got a point

still you just cant say no to a person who wants to live, what if it was gates who had to shorten his life would he say so as well?

[swiss]

Originally Posted by raaaid

he wouldnt say that if it was him who was dying for christ sake

Are you sure?
Because - I would.