Need your opinion about IL2 planes

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

La-5FN/La-7, Ki-84, Ki-43 for pure beginners.

If I would take someone by the hand I would give him a P-40. Easy enough not to fall out of the sky, strong enough to get fight results, still hard enough to be able to learn through it. (quite similar to F4F, but sexier)

EDIT: @OverDhill ... do you ask primarly because you want to learn flying ... or fighting?

[pupo162]

if you want to fight, probably the 109. there is ALWAYS a server who has 109s available. Its very capable of turnfighting and energy fighting. hard to stall, easy to recover, good armament, but not too strong, so you actually have to learn how to shoot.

if you want to fly fly, then you cna preatty much pick your favorite plane. Just make sure you find a decent teatcher. JOINT-OPS, is a good idea if you have the time.

good luck!

[fruitbat]

imo a Bf109 F4 on the eastern front, is the best plane to learn in.

Centreline cannon which is very effective, and will teach you to shoot properly.

Very forgiving handling in flight as well as take off and landing, and general superiority in flight against all your opponents of the time, in climb, speed and turn (at least against the ai)

flying an early/mid 1942 DGEN campaign in a F4 is a exercise in destroying the VVS all by yourself.......

I personally would stay away from the zero, purely because you can do stuff in that plane that you can't get away with in others, and it may teach bad habits for other plane imo.

[OverDhill]

Thanks for the replies

Well I guess it sounds like the 109 is the place to start. And yes I want to learn how to fight as well as fly. I have to pick out some rudder pedals. I have heard some people start out using the twist stick but then later get pedals and have a hard time adjusting.

Any suggestions on some good sturdy ones? The CH Product ones look good but I think they are too close together for my taste.

[CWMV]

I have the CH pedals and they arent that bad. Ive been banging on them for a few years now and they still work very well. I would definetly recomend them.

You may also want to get Track IR. Its the most important piece of gear you can get.

http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/products/trackir5/

[fruitbat]

I could just about go back to flying with a twist stick if i had to, while i waited for a new set of rudder pedals. I wouldn't bother flying again until i got a new track ir if mine broke.

For pedals, i prefer Saiteks, purely because its a wider stance, but there both good products.

http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/pedals.html

[OverDhill]

I do have a Trackir and it works great. I agree one of the best addons you can buy and was one of the reason I decided to get back into flying (I flew some with my Amiga 2000 back in the day).

I just built a new system with:

Intel Core i7-3770K Quad-Core Processor 3.5 GHz
ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 LGA 1155 Intel Z77
EVGA GeForce GTX 660 SUPERCLOCKED 2048MB
G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit

I also have a second PC networked for Helios (my old game machine with a E6750 and 560TI card) with a Samsung ELO 24" touchscreen.

I am working on a Helios and UDP Speed skin right now while I wait for my new HOTAS. I find having the controls at your fingertip makes the game easier to learn and use.

Last I am running the new system into a Samsung 39" HDTV (low latency model). So IL2 with some mods looks pretty sweet. I used the PVC pipe method and built a dedicated virtual cockpit area to mount the touchscreen and HOTAS stand.

Here is an early picture taken flying Falcon BMS and its Helios skin I am working on.

OverDhill

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

If I would take someone by the hand I would give him a P-40. Easy enough not to fall out of the sky, strong enough to get fight results, still hard enough to be able to learn through it. (quite similar to F4F, but sexier)

Burn the heretic, Wildcats are sexy, and they can land on carriers!

[MaxGunz]

Just to fly? Try a Yak-1 or Hurricane 1. A pilot with less hours in type could do better in either than in a 109.

The more advanced, powerful and fast the fighter, the more the real rookies had to train to get it right.

A great site to learn about flying is "See How It Flies". Check the author's credentials while you're there.

[BadAim]

Looks like your serious! My nocturnal flying friend will have some good tips for you.

The 109 is also one of my favorites. I'd give the nod to the Hurrie or the F4F as good training planes also. I'm going to agree with fruity on the Zero, even though I love it!

Have fun above all.