Was Oleg Maddox too far ahead of his time?

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

1) it makes a huge difference, because of groundpounding, tankbusting and close support, none of which was involved in BoB, and which you can recreate well in il2. Battle of Stalingrad wasn't just the City.

2) a) irrelevant and b) incorrect, they were German.

1) Either battle , as a fighter you are escorting bombers/attack aircraft to a ground target or intercepting them. In both instances a very short distance.

2) Maybe the contribution of the Polish fighter pilots were insignificant to you but not to the BOB. They fought less than half the battle and their kill ratio per sortie was better than any german unit, it depends on your definition of success!

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

2) Maybe the contribution of the Polish fighter pilots were insignificant to you but not to the BOB. They fought less than half the battle and their kill ratio per sortie was better than any german unit, it depends on your definition of success!

Not insignificant to me at all, don't put words into my mouth that i didn't say. However, I don't understand the relevance of it though, with regard to you saying BoB is the same as BoS, which is what we were talking about until your tangent. Care to explain?

And by the 'traditional' method of kills, German pilots were the most successful of BoB by individuals, kill ratios you may well be right. I certainly don't disagree about the contribution of the Poles, but you should also add the Czechs to that as well, since we're talking about performance, and 54 squadron as well, who only fought half the battle as well, and were the top scoring squadron before they were withdrawn from the battle at the start of Sept.

But as interesting as this all is, what's it got to do with Stalingrad, being such a bad theatre?

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

Not insignificant to me at all, don't put words into my mouth that i didn't say. However, I don't understand the relevance of it though, with regard to you saying BoB is the same as BoS, which is what we were talking about until your tangent. Care to explain?

And by the 'traditional' method of kills, German pilots were the most successful of BoB by individuals. I certainly don't disagree about the contribution of the Poles, but you should also add the Czechs to that as well, since we're talking about performance, and 54 squadron as well, who only fought half the battle as well, and were the top scoring squadron before they were withdrawn from the battle at the start of Sept.

Your sarcastic and cynical responses left me with the impression a serious relevant exchange was not your intention.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

Your sarcastic and cynical responses left me with the impression a serious relevant exchange was not your intention.

Which sarcastic and cynical responses were those?

I disagreed with you that the type of fighting in the air in the BoB is the same in the BoS, due to the huge land battle that was going on underneath and have stated so.

You are the one that went of on a tangent designed to inflame, which i choose to ignore the very obvious intention of, giving you the benefit of doubt, and i am quite willing to keep discussing the issue at hand.

For the record, i would of chosen N Africa, but the decision's 1C's, and they've already made it a long time ago.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

Which sarcastic and cynical responses were those?

I disagreed with you that the type of fighting in the air in the BoB is the same in the BoS, due to the huge land battle that was going on underneath and have stated so.

You are the one that went of on a tangent designed to inflame, which i choose to ignore the very obvious intention of, giving you the benefit of doubt, and i am quite willing to keep discussing the issue at hand.

For the record, i would of chosen N Africa, but the decision's 1C's, and they've already made it a long time ago.

The vast majority of flight sims are purchase by the individual who play offline building missions. Both battles were fought by essentially only two combatants, flying short distances attacking/defending grond targets.You have a large city eating up computer resources adding little to game play. Little if any diversity in mission building, monotonous maps, very little variety in aircraft.

Why would you be "inflamed" if I mentioned the Pole's in BOB, I was glad you reminded me of the Czech contribution.

I would much prefer N. Africa, and I tuely beleive it would bring in more revenue for 777?1c so they can eventually get to everyones personal favorite Battle.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

The vast majority of flight sims are purchase by the individual who play offline building missions. Both battles were fought by essentially only two combatants, flying short distances attacking/defending grond targets.You have a large city eating up computer resources adding little to game play. Little if any diversity in mission building, monotonous maps, very little variety in aircraft.

I agree that most sims are bought by individuals for offline. The one advantage i can think off with Stalingrad, is all it takes is more maps to open up the Eastern front much wider with much more little work on the plane set initially. And as more planes are added, those same maps can still be used, for different times during the war on the eastern front.

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

I would much prefer N. Africa, and I tuely beleive it would bring in more revenue for 777?1c so they can eventually get to everyones personal favorite Battle.

I think its a big miss on there part they didn't start with it, no one has ever done it before properly as far as i'm aware, Its interesting and well matched plane sets, and a great variety of mission types and a map/maps that are not to demanding with regard to object limits. Unfortunately, just as 1C told MG what the next 2 sequels were to be after CLOD, I suspect the same applies to 777, hence BoS, and again i suspect its due to domestic expectations. Would definitely like to see them go to N Africa next if things pan out in the future.

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

Why would you be "inflamed" if I mentioned the Pole's in BOB, I was glad you reminded me of the Czech contribution.

It seems we may of both misread each other, no worries.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

I agree that most sims are bought by individuals for offline. The one advantage i can think off with Stalingrad, is all it takes is more maps to open up the Eastern front much wider with much more little work on the plane set initially. And as more planes are added, those same maps can still be used, for different times during the war on the eastern front.

I unerstand the utility and economy behind BOS. However I beleive the wider appeal of the Med would generate more unit sales and make up for it. Perhaps once BOS is released they could simultaneously work on the Med and the next " Add On" for the East.



I think its a big miss on there part they didn't start with it, no one has ever done it before properly as far as i'm aware, Its interesting and well matched plane sets, and a great variety of mission types and a map/maps that are not to demanding with regard to object limits. Unfortunately, just as 1C told MG what the next 2 sequels were to be after CLOD, I suspect the same applies to 777, hence BoS, and again i suspect its due to domestic expectations. Would definitely like to see them go to N Africa next if things pan out in the future.

Anyway they can work in the abilty to attack/defend shipping it opens up many more mission building posibilities creating greater interest. This can certainly done in the Med.


It seems we may of both misread each other, no worries.

Agreed.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

Unfortunately, just as 1C told MG what the next 2 sequels were to be after CLOD, I suspect the same applies to 777, hence BoS, and again i suspect its due to domestic expectations.

nah... a fair amount of the work (from what we've been given to read, prior to the management change) is already done, hence BoS