the failure of clod is a failure of US ALL

[Insuber]

Without polemics, and having been always a supporter of this sim, I cannot buy into the "blame the customer" theories.
The whole SoW-CloD-BoM venture is a perfect example of how not to run a project. Catastrophic mistakes were made years before the release, crippling the product beyond hope, and wasting huge amounts of money without any logic as we learned from former team members one year ago. The release of a broken product destroyed the credibility of the team and depressed the sales. I would say a word about Luthier's leadership, but kicking the loosers is not my cup of tea. He had the power, he had the time, he had the resources, he had the Il-2 name and reputation. He failed.

Let's watch at Jason's results, trying to suppress emotions and judge in an objective, dispassionate way their product, as a true flight sim fan should always do.

Best wishes,
Insuber

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by Insuber

He had the power, he had the time, he had the resources, he had the Il-2 name and reputation. He failed.

Wrong. He had only maybe 6 months before release after Oleg was forced to leave by "anti-crisis management" and he had all 1C limitations and restrictions. I wonder how long 777 will last under these limitations before Jason and Loft leave (e.g. take 13 months budget only for BoS). They will have to make a deal with DCS next I guess.

Russian corporations are very different from western corporations.

[Freycinet]

Of course management primarily looks at sales and not forum postings. But OF COURSE an orchestrated campaign of hate is also going to affect sales. So many people have looked at my movies and commented, "wauw, this sim looks fantastic, but I only read online that it was crap, what gives?".

The haters really got what they wanted so dearly, the demise of the franchise, and now they try to pretend they played no part in it. Disgusting.

[raaaid]

i didnt mean it was people fault

it was not my fault yet feel it like a personal failure as a flight sim fan

but not point pointing fingers

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Freycinet

Of course management primarily looks at sales and not forum postings. But OF COURSE an orchestrated campaign of hate is also going to affect sales. So many people have looked at my movies and commented, "wauw, this sim looks fantastic, but I only read online that it was crap, what gives?".

True, but once they bought it you can be sure they will share their opinion.

This game sucked all the way until the last patch, that's the truth - and you can't expect to successfully sell a minor grade product.
You could only delay the economical failure of such a product with positive propaganda - but you can never turn it away.

[Freycinet]

Originally Posted by swiss

This game sucked all the way until the last patch, that's the truth

Your truth is not my truth, and I don't think you have a monopoly of "the truth", even though you present it like that ("that's the truth")

I thought it was fantastic from the first viewing, and it got progressively better with the patches.

Yes, sure, dissatisfied customers should vent their disapproval, but hating the sim and staying on the forums for two years, posting multiple times every day about that dissatisfaction like some of the haters in here?

- That's no longer being unhappy with a product that cost two movie tickets, that's a campaign of hate to make sure nobody else will be able to give the sim a go. What a waste of a life, but then again, it seems those people didn't really have one...

I would really have liked to give Battle of Moscow a go, but the haters did what they could to deny others that opportunity.

Here are the screenies of what we will never see... Oh rejoice, oh happiness, BOM was cancelled!

http://airwarfare.com/sow/index.php/...id=2#photoid=2

Must make every hater super-happy... Thanks god Luthier wasn't allowed to bring us cockpits like this... http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachmen...1&d=1340979063

[swiss]

In the state the product was you can NOT make customers happy. It starts with the system specs - they recommend a gtx260 while ppl even with most sophisticated(!) rigs couldnt play it without stutter.
Online play? Forget it, CTD.
Great, huh?

Now, imagine we all praised the game, do you think sales would have improved?
No, dissatisfied customers would only think we are nuts.

Is clod beautiful? Yes! and it's a friggin shame they cant fix, nonetheless it never worked liked it was supposed to.
It's like a wonderful handcrafted chef knife which is dull - nice to look at, but unable to do the job.
Unless someone fixes it - unfortunately the gave up, sux.
In the end it's all about the money, if you cant find someone to dump more money into it(and potentially burn it), you'll have to abandon it.
Btw; feel free to start a kickstarter project to finish Clod, its a free world.

The video you posted showed Clod in all its glory, really a sad end. Maybe some modders, one fine day...

[MB_Avro_UK]

Originally Posted by Freycinet

Your truth is not my truth, and I don't think you have a monopoly of "the truth", even though you present it like that ("that's the truth")

I thought it was fantastic from the first viewing, and it got progressively better with the patches.

Yes, sure, dissatisfied customers should vent their disapproval, but hating the sim and staying on the forums for two years, posting multiple times every day about that dissatisfaction like some of the haters in here?

- That's no longer being unhappy with a product that cost two movie tickets, that's a campaign of hate to make sure nobody else will be able to give the sim a go. What a waste of a life, but then again, it seems those people didn't really have one...

I would really have liked to give Battle of Moscow a go, but the haters did what they could to deny others that opportunity.

Here are the screenies of what we will never see... Oh rejoice, oh happiness, BOM was cancelled!

http://airwarfare.com/sow/index.php/...id=2#photoid=2

Must make every hater super-happy... Thanks god Luthier wasn't allowed to bring us cockpits like this... http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachmen...1&d=1340979063

My feelings also.

Now,we have a sim that's as good as RoF. Some may say better.

I've owned RoF since it's release and have bought most of the add-ons. I have no problem at all with RoF. I was flying last night on the new Channel map.

Cliffs of Dover was the future. It was a prototype of a unique and advanced product. It had faults,I agree. But when you raise the bar to the height Oleg went for,there will be faults.

I spent £50/$75 on the Collectors Edition.Far less than I've spent on RoF over all. And both are the best of the genre.


Best Regards,
MB_Avro

[furbs]

Originally Posted by Freycinet

Of course management primarily looks at sales and not forum postings. But OF COURSE an orchestrated campaign of hate is also going to affect sales. So many people have looked at my movies and commented, "wauw, this sim looks fantastic, but I only read online that it was crap, what gives?".

The haters really got what they wanted so dearly, the demise of the franchise, and now they try to pretend they played no part in it. Disgusting.

Frey, i guess all the people who wrote a review must have been in on the "agenda" as well right?

Yer it was perfect out the box, you dont remember these very small problems then...

Epilepsy filter
Massive stutter over land at release
Full screen problems
Having to choose between sound and trees for 3 months
CTD's after 5-20mins for 4 months for over 50% of people
Floating ships
Crap offline campaigns
Non starting hurricanes
Crap AI
Sli...fixed in next driver release...(yer flippin right)



These problems were just made up and anyone who pointed these out were working in secret with 777 in a massive world wide conspiracy.

[Pudfark]

Every thing Furbs has said so far...all of it.
You can't turn a "sow's ear" into a "silk purse",
No matter how much time and money you put into it.
My mistake was misspending my money and time,
which has everything to do with this historical folly...

So...I'll be hanging out with the winning team...not the whining one.