1C games's own BOM ?

[bongodriver]

and investors will lose that patience when subjected to such bad publicity and whingeing.

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

and investors will lose that patience when subjected to such bad publicity and whingeing.

Investors will loose patience when it takes too many years and too many millions to realize a return of their investment, which I'm pretty sure that CLoD never returned, even if it did turn out to be a decent product in the end.

[bongodriver]

One could argue they should have seen it earlier then, do you really believe it's coincidence that CoD got binned after getting completely raped by the community?

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

One could argue they should have seen it earlier then, do you really believe it's coincidence that CoD got binned after getting completely raped by the community?

I don't think it's a coincidence at all, since I don't think that 1C's decision to axe CLoD had anything to do with the vileness of this community. In the end, I think it was still a "money talks, bullshit walks" type of thing.

[bongodriver]

Well it was our money that should have been doing the talking instead of bitching, but now we have people queing up to pay for BoS despite their dev updates reading like....

can we have...

NO

will it do....

NO

[Fjordmonkey]

True enough, Bongo. Then again, BoS will only share the name of IL2, but seemingly not it's depth. Of course, that might change down the road, but I'm treating it as something completely different than IL2, even if it shares the name. Whether I buy it or not will remain to be seen, and it depends a LOT on the info they give out in the coming months.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

True enough, Bongo. Then again, BoS will only share the name of IL2, but seemingly not it's depth. Of course, that might change down the road, but I'm treating it as something completely different than IL2, even if it shares the name. Whether I buy it or not will remain to be seen, and it depends a LOT on the info they give out in the coming months.

Same here, given what ROF is I am hopeful but I need to see what the cockpits look and there interaction is like before I preorder.

[Lexicon]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Well it was our money that should have been doing the talking instead of bitching, but now we have people queing up to pay for BoS despite their dev updates reading like....

can we have...

NO

will it do....

NO

Yes, but...Oleg might have said "yes" , but with a reminder that a " yes" was bond to a "WIP" that would eventually mean "no"....
And after 8 years of development, many " yes" turned out to be a "never"...

I f you are right about the fact that a part of CLOD's failure is due to the constant whining, and investors were influenced by the moaning on the forum, it shows how Jason has acquired some whisdom from that venture...
So he says "no" to everything that is not essential in the first built of BOS....

Salute !

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by Lexicon

I f you are right about the fact that a part of CLOD's failure is due to the constant whining, and investors were influenced by the moaning on the forum, it shows how Jason has acquired some whisdom from that venture...
So he says "no" to everything that is not essential in the first built of BOS....

Salute !

Investors are much more pragmatic than that.

A more likely scenario is the whining directly effected ongoing sales and the lack of any revenue stream (no new users due to internet whining and no money from existing users as there are no paid addons), when combined with escalating dev costs, put the balance sheet increasingly in the red.

[Hood]

Originally Posted by zapatista

bollox, tripe, and poppycock

the final patch in September 2012 produced a good and pretty well rounded game

Interesting. I wouldn't call it "good" or "well rounded". I'd call it "adequate" but "limited".

It has good points (how it looks in-cockpit plus player models) but there is a lot that is still poor.

LOD (disappearing/invisible aircraft wind me up)
Weather systems missing or unuseable online
No co-op mode
Poor campaign
Trees flickering and insubstantial
Poor engine optimisation
etc

That they released it in such a poor state, and couldn't fix it in time, is what killed it. If it had been good on release, or massively improved in a short time, it would have lived. You cannot whine about people expressing their dissatisfaction when that dissatsisfaction was right.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Well it was our money that should have been doing the talking instead of bitching, but now we have people queing up to pay for BoS despite their dev updates reading like....

can we have...

NO

will it do....

NO

They had my money, and lot of others' money besides. I don't like buying something only to get it 18 months later - not really good business sense.

You don't have to buy BoS if you don't want to. It'll be the only game in town but you don't have to play or even be negative about it. Wow, I'm starting to sound like the fanboys who said I should have checked the forums before buying CLOD (depsite showing my support by a pre-order).

Hood