IL-2 and Rise Of Flight team up

[[URU]AkeR]

Originally Posted by Verhängnis

Taildraggernut, why would I have a problem with 777 developing it? But, you're just another whiner, there's always one.
What's the problem? 1C couldn't deliver, simple fact really, and in the world of business - it's funny, because they know it too. Now stop trolling and look forward to BoS.

FIRST OF ALL i´m not bashing ROF nor 777, i have ROF , i paid for it and it was a great deal. I´m starting to like the game.

No, the developer was maddox games, and they did deliver, in a chaotic way, but they did, and it was getting better end better. But it was taking too much time to make something really spectacular. So 1C as publisher decided to cut it off and go for the quik buck with an average product. According to guys from 777 they are aiming for something that "works" out of the box admittely dropping the great features we already had. And of cuorse a lot of the work is already done in terms of 3d design by the guys from Maddox, so they are basically taking almost 2 years to port those models to ROF engine an improving it to be able to handle the heavy ground action in Stalingrad.

So what would have happened if Ilya came and say that even with a 75% done they were going to take another 2 years to deliver a polished battle of Stalingrad? more chaos, meanwhile 1C will see how the competition (777) was making money all that time. So what they do? merge with them so they are now controlling the whole market of prop driven combat flight simulators. Do you know who loses and who wins with this almost monopolic context? It should be obvious but i will say it just in case: WE ALL LOSE, THE CORPORATIONS WIN.

It doesnt matter if you only fly ROF without competition customers lose, now they only have to make something that is just right, no need to chase perfection, no need to take the risk of going beyond expectations, no more romanticism, no more passion, just numbers.

This is how I feel about this, but i totally understand 777 aproach and wish them total succes.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by FS~Phat

Talking about CLOD is NOT the issue.

The crap that people try to pass off as fact here without actually having any real clue is frankly astonishing. There is absolutely no reason for people to put down the 777 engine or commercial model when in every way it has clearly been the more successful venture and will be a great new technology and partnership with 1C and 777 for the new IL2 series.
What Im saying is... that if people want to sprout bullshit and crap on about things they clearly dont have an understanding of, or are clearly just trying to create conflict, whether discussing CLOD or ROF or BoM or BoS or 1C or 777..... You will be moderated according to the rules.

Exactly.. and I sure hope so because I am so sick of seeing this childish nonsense here and at the IL2 forum.

Originally Posted by [URU]AkeR

FIRST OF ALL i´m not bashing ROF nor 777, i have ROF , i paid for it and it was a great deal. I´m starting to like the game.

No, the developer was maddox games, and they did deliver, in a chaotic way, but they did, and it was getting better end better. But it was taking too much time to make something really spectacular. So 1C as publisher decided to cut it off and go for the quik buck with an average product. According to guys from 777 they are aiming for something that "works" out of the box admittely dropping the great features we already had. And of cuorse a lot of the work is already done in terms of 3d design by the guys from Maddox, so they are basically taking almost 2 years to port those models to ROF engine an improving it to be able to handle the heavy ground action in Stalingrad.

So what would have happened if Ilya came and say that even with a 75% done they were going to take another 2 years to deliver a polished battle of Stalingrad? more chaos, meanwhile 1C will see how the competition (777) was making money all that time. So what they do? merge with them so they are now controlling the whole market of prop driven combat flight simulators. Do you know who loses and who wins with this almost monopolic context? It should be obvious but i will say it just in case: WE ALL LOSE, THE CORPORATIONS WIN.

It doesnt matter if you only fly ROF without competition customers lose, now they only have to make something that is just right, no need to chase perfection, no need to take the risk of going beyond expectations, no more romanticism, no more passion, just numbers.

This is how I feel about this, but i totally understand 777 aproach and wish them total succes.

First off.. How do you know the highlighted part.. ? You don't. None of us do.. the only people who do are those connected at 1C and their lawyers. Secondly we do not know what the future of the flight sim business is going to be. At least you are sensible enough to see the picture as it is in the end and that end being understanding 777s approach and wishing them success because that is what we all need to do because not doing so won't change a d@mn thing.


To those who are loosing their minds over this:

For us simmers this is a thing that we enjoy doing, that apparently some of us take very very personal.. but for Ilya, Jason, 1C,UBI and MG this is business. This is why CoD failed .. no matter what people may think about what was coming down the pike.. no matter how much passion the (and I am being generous I am sure) tens of thousands who bought it have for the product, people have to eat. This product was first mentioned in 2006 @ UBI and people started upgrading for it by 2008. It took 5 years of stops and starts, poor communication and teasers and a release that can be kindly called messy. It never took off the way it was supposed to because it never worked as it was expected to. Period. Is it a great platform? Well it certainly has it's plusses and I don't know whether Ilya was forced out or whether he just walked away on his own the same with Oleg, but the bottom line is that if the people who designed the engine could not get it to work better than they have after 6 years what do you expect someone else to do and what businessperson in their right mind would try to take the helm of a post iceberg Titanic? If nothing else Jason is a businessman and from the looks of it he is pretty good at it. If he and the 1C folks that have merged on this product have decided to go with a different engine what business is it of any of ours? So you spent money on the sim (a general you not a specific you) .. Well whoop D Frackin do.. So did I .. I pre ordered it. Is it better now than it was? Absolutely.. but the developer walked away. That's it. To sit here and keep on going on and on about it as if any of that will do anything but make one look like a complete and total @ss is ridiculous.

GET OVER IT!!

If you love CoD then that is great.. I am happy for you but to keep seeing these posts across multiple boards by the same people is just stupid. It's like being on a 1500 mile road trip and the kids start asking "Are we there yet?" before you get out of the city. All this talk as if people just know that BoS will be terrible.. or they know what will come from this merger.. We don't know.. all we know is what the developers have told us.. but I do know this. I bet it won't take 5 years to release and I bet that when it is released it will work.

Phat hit the nail on the head.