New IL2 Sturmovik Title!!!

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by 4H_V-man

It seems that many of you do not understand the way RoF works. Here's how in a nutshell:

You can download the FREE version of RoF and you get ALL the content. The only difference is that you only get TWO FLYABLE aircraft. You can man ANY gunner position. This goes for both on-line and off-line.

Should you choose to add to your selection of aircraft you can buy the RoF Iron Cross edition which includes eight (if I recall correctly) flyable aircraft. You can then purchase additional aircraft, weapons mods, field mods, etc. in the on-line store.

Even if you don't buy an aircraft or feature, it is still visible to you when someone else in the server is using it. In other words, if I have an Albatros D.Va with the 20mm canon overwing field mod and you haven't bought the aircraft or the mod, you can still fly against them and see them. Or, let's say you haven't bought the Handley Page 0400. You can still man a gunner position in the aircraft, even if I equip it with the optional twin-Lewis turret. You will get to use that feature because I added it to my aircraft.

I helped beta-test RoF, as did the rest of the Horsemen. Everyone admits it was a real dog when released. However, 777 Studios and Jason stepped in and got the project back on track. It is an incredible flight sim. I was not and still am not a huge WWI fan, but I urge all of you to at least download the free version and give it a try. If you like it, wait for a sale and buy what you want at a discount.

I'll admit that I wasn't that keen on the business model to begin with, but we have to face the fact that hard-core flight simmers are a dying breed. If we want high-quality sims in the future, we are each going to have to pay more to make it worth the company's time. They have to eat and pay bills, too. Once you get used to the idea of not having every aircraft available to fly unless you want to pay for it, it isn't that bad. We've always had AI only aircraft in Il-2. It's just that now you can fly those if you choose to pay for them.

As for the RoF engine: 70 people on-line, a map that covers a large portion of France, clouds and rain, explosions, gun-fire, moving trucks and trains, and NO STUTTERS. And this is on my less than top-line system with RoF graphics settings at all but maximum. Smooth as silk either down in the weeds or at 12,000 feet. No objects popping in and out of view. It's a lot better than many of you here are giving it credit to be.

One more thing:

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PLEASE! I never bought ClOD because of this Steam crap!

Fully understand the RoF model and I still have the concerns I have. If only some players have certain planes, what happens when a scenario comes up that only uses pay for planes?

Say my scenario only uses the Fokker D.VIIF and the Sopwith Camel but some players only have access to the two free ones?

[Fenice_1965]

As a matter if fact one of the reason of actual success of IL2 1946 (it's still the most crowded sim online) is that you can play with hundreds of aircraft in tenths of scenarios.
If you're bored playing one, you take another, in a never ending experience.
This means longevity.
In a pay every addon model of business this can be done only by fiew people.
This means more players bored earlier and less people playing after a short time.

[Blaf]

Originally Posted by Fenice_1965

As a matter if fact one of the reason of actual success of IL2 1946 (it's still the most crowded sim online) is that you can play with hundreds of aircraft in tenths of scenarios.
If you're bored playing one, you take another, in a never ending experience.
This means longevity.
In a pay every addon model of business this can be done only by fiew people.
This means more players bored earlier and less people playing after a short time.

+1

[Fenice_1965]

I add:
Less people playing= servers empty= servers dying= end of the simulation.

[AngryHatter]

Originally Posted by IceFire

Fully understand the RoF model and I still have the concerns I have. If only some players have certain planes, what happens when a scenario comes up that only uses pay for planes?

Say my scenario only uses the Fokker D.VIIF and the Sopwith Camel but some players only have access to the two free ones?

At least they continue to support the game and improve it.
Whereas CLOD took my money and ran.

[theOden]

Originally Posted by IceFire

Fully understand the RoF model and I still have the concerns I have. If only some players have certain planes, what happens when a scenario comes up that only uses pay for planes?

Say my scenario only uses the Fokker D.VIIF and the Sopwith Camel but some players only have access to the two free ones?

We've lived with this for ages in ArmA and simply put, don't blame the simgame but talk to the server host instead (he who actually pays for hardware people are playing on for free).


Fenice_1965, you honestly think that if there is no online activity there is no one using the game?

[Sandbag]

Cant believe CLOD is doomed to die. Was looking forward to Med and Moscow add-ons. It was 'the future' of air simulators . Once I saved enough for my new Rig it was going to give me a new lease of life in air combat. Oh well thank God for 4.11.1

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by theOden

We've lived with this for ages in ArmA and simply put, don't blame the simgame but talk to the server host instead (he who actually pays for hardware people are playing on for free).


Fenice_1965, you honestly think that if there is no online activity there is no one using the game?

So...I'm operating from the perspective of the server host. It significantly cuts my potential player base if I want to do an interesting scenario but one that features only certain aircraft and if I choose to do something interesting but not available to the base players then I can either choose to restrict those players (not something I want to do) or I can choose to not run the scenario (also not something I want to do). So in some ways it's a loose loose scenario.

The more I read at the new forum, I suspect they will have some sort of hybrid model. If there are enough aircraft in the base package then there may be enough breadth to do at least some interesting setups. But it will change the way that I approach online scenarios. Guaranteed.

[Fenice_1965]

Fenice_1965, you honestly think that if there is no online activity there is no one using the game?

Honestly not. I was thinking from the perspective that is closer to me (even if I've been playing simulators offline for more than 20 years, actually I'm more involved in online activity).
BTW online activity can be one of the indicators that can be considered in the judgement about vitality in a game thinked to be used also online.

So...I'm operating from the perspective of the server host. It significantly cuts my potential player base if I want to do an interesting scenario but one that features only certain aircraft and if I choose to do something interesting but not available to the base players then I can either choose to restrict those players (not something I want to do) or I can choose to not run the scenario (also not something I want to do). So in some ways it's a loose loose scenario.

The more I read at the new forum, I suspect they will have some sort of hybrid model. If there are enough aircraft in the base package then there may be enough breadth to do at least some interesting setups. But it will change the way that I approach online scenarios. Guaranteed.

I've the same perspective Icefire. can't be explained better. +1

[bf-110]

For all complaining about RoF aircraft system.This is not a rant,just an experience I had.

I never had the culture of buying things from the internet.For me,it was like begging to someone to rob your credit card information.
Also,dollar isn't the currency of my country,and neither euro is.It's price is like 1 for 2 of our national currency.And buying things in dollars isn't the same as buying a pack of chips at the nearby market.
Yet,I got RoF and a few planes at every 2 months or when they have the 1/2 price sale and I'm enjoying it.