4.12 development update discussion and feedback

[Rot Bourratif]

When you are gliding above the runway with your landing flaps extended, just above `dirty` stall speed, start retracting flaps: Take-off, Combat then no flaps.

[jameson]

This help?

The stalling speed of the Fw 190A-4 in clean configuration was 127 mph (204 km/h) and the stall came suddenly and virtually without warning, the port wing dropping so violently that the aircraft almost inverted itself. In fact, if the German fighter was pulled into a g stall in a right turn, it would flick out into the opposite bank and an incipient spin was the inevitable outcome if the pilot did not have its wits about him.
The stall in landing was quite different, there being intense pre-stall buffeting before the starboard wing dropped comparatively gently at 102 mph (164 km/h).
For landing on this and the numerous subsequent occasions that I was to fly an Fw 190, I extend the undercarriage at 186 mph (300km/h), lowering the flaps 10 deg at 168 mph (270km/h), although the pilot's notes recommend reducing speed below 155 mph (250 km/h) and the applying 10 deg of flap before lowering the undercarriage. My reason for departing from the recommended drill was that the electrical load for lowering the undercarriage was higher than that required for the flaps and German batteries were in rather short supply at Farnborough - that in the Fw190A-4/U8 was most definitely weary- so I considered it prudent to get the wheels down before taxing the remaining strength of the battery further!

The turn onto the final approach was made at 155mph (250km/h), and full flap was applied at 149 mph (240km/h), speed then being eased off to cross the boundary at 124 mph (200 km/h). The view on the approach was decidedly poor because the attitude with power on was rather flat and unlike most fighters of the period, it was not permissible to open the cockpit canopy, presumably owing the risk of engine exhaust fumes entering the cockpit. The actual touch-down was a little tricky as the prefect three-point attitude was difficult to attain and anything less than perfect resulted in a reaction from the very non-resilient undercarriage and a decidedly bouncy arrival. If a three-pointer could be achieved, the landing run was short and the brakes could be applied harshly without fear of nosing over.

Extract from Wings of the Luftwaffe by Eric Brown.

[SPAD-1949]

OK, Im gonna try this. I allways followed the 109 procedures but with slightly higer speed, cause the 190 was more rugged and there was no way for me in the game to bring it in with 170kp/h for a 150kp/h 3 point TD like its possible for the 109s until F Models and slightly higer for Gs. I know the gear drop speeds in Il2 are not correctly modelled and you can force them out with much higher speed than the original without the danger of ripping them off, but I tried to follow the procedures I found in several sources. Unfortunately I did not find any for the 190. Thanks

[Fighterace]

Is an updated P-40E w/ M-105 engine being included for 4.12?

[Fenice_1965]

Originally Posted by Rot Bourratif

When you are gliding above the runway with your landing flaps extended, just above `dirty` stall speed, start retracting flaps: Take-off, Combat then no flaps.

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