Trying to play allowing losses is horrible

[tiberiu]

Originally Posted by blacklegionary

money in AP/CW were very tight

Really? How, man? I used to get literally milions of gold on impossible by the end of the game. I don't remember ever struggling with gold.

It seems the developer design the game against no-loss.

If that's the case, they sure made a very poor job. Even the spider can be no loss, and he is the hardest fight in the game.

[gunnyhighway]

Well I am scrapping the skald he is just waaaay too easy. I think I will try Viking and try to accept "minimal" losses while focusing heavy on attack defense and not much on magic.

I would love too find a way to make some of the ranged units not feel so worthless. I just feel like hunters and archers just dont feel worth it in my army compared to many better melee units.

[blacklegionary]

Originally Posted by tiberiu

Really? How, man? I used to get literally milions of gold on impossible by the end of the game. I don't remember ever struggling with gold.

If that's the case, they sure made a very poor job. Even the spider can be no loss, and he is the hardest fight in the game.

I often finish AP with around 1 - 1,5m, but the time I can fight stack in Verona I have only 100k, not enough to fill my army with Knight and Horseman.

It's obvious that you haven't finish the game. Many Heroes and boss at the end spam AOE like Geyser, Armageddon, Ice Snake, Heat Focus. There are a few of them use Hypnosis.

[Lancian]

Originally Posted by blacklegionary

I often finish AP with around 1 - 1,5m, but the time I cant fight stack in Verona I have only 100k, not enough to fill my army with Knight and Horseman.

And even worse for mage, who need to buy and destroy every piece of equipment just to have enough crystals

[Razorflame]

Originally Posted by blacklegionary

I often finish AP with around 1 - 1,5m, but the time I can fight stack in Verona I have only 100k, not enough to fill my army with Knight and Horseman.

It's obvious that you haven't finish the game. Many Heroes and boss at the end spam AOE like Geyser, Armageddon, Ice Snake, Heat Focus. There are a few of them use Hypnosis.

so your point being?
u can infinite money on AP if u know how

[blacklegionary]

Originally Posted by Razorflame

so your point being?
u can infinite money on AP if u know how

My point? Well, the OP state that the no-loss community ruin his gaming experience, so I want to explain a bit. First, in AP playing no loss is almost a must to progress at least in early game. This wasn't just for fun or challenging, it's a requirement. And this was when people talking so much about no-loss game. Also running back and forth between island to replenish troops is no fun. So the no-loss concept was somehow forced on us.

It seems the developers read the forum and feel insulted when people show off that they beat Impossible no-loss and in 7 days or so, I don't remember exactly. So they design WOTN so frustrating for anyone to play no-loss, everyone can beat Impossible but go for no-loss is painful. There are also a lot of money so people will forget about it and just play normally. Well, you can even try army of Gray Wolf, Hyena, Thorn and Dragonfly if you want to have some fun.

[Fatt_Shade]

@blacklegionary

My point? Well, the OP state that the no-loss community ruin his gaming experience, so I want to explain a bit. First, in AP playing no loss is almost a must to progress at least in early game. This wasn't just for fun or challenging, it's a requirement. And this was when people talking so much about no-loss game. Also running back and forth between island to replenish troops is no fun. So the no-loss concept was somehow forced on us.

I must agree here. On start you have no gold for army, no skills/items to help you, no spells or any unit choice, so players are somehow forced to save that little they have (maybe not no-loss, but to struggle to save as much as possible). But after first visit to some shop with strong unit, or good supporting unit choice no-loss come easy and thought of loosing units just come low on list. If there are battle that took to long to revive fallen troops then it might get frustrating, but normally any battle when you know what you`re doing takes less then 5 turns, it`s not much of time waste.

As for developers now in WotN forcing players to lose units, it`s come in achievements that are totally useless ,but look shiny and we all know that today gamers like shiny things (Heartless = lose 10.000 units in game , God of war = defeat Loki in 10 turns hard to do without losses , Archanophobe = defeat spider in less then 15 turns also hard to do with no losses). So now there are some kind of reward for players that lose units. Bad thing is those rewards are totally useless in gameplay.

[Xargon]

Originally Posted by Fatt_Shade

@blacklegionary

As for developers now in WotN forcing players to lose units, it`s come in achievements that are totally useless ,but look shiny and we all know that today gamers like shiny things (Heartless = lose 10.000 units in game , God of war = defeat Loki in 10 turns hard to do without losses , Archanophobe = defeat spider in less then 15 turns also hard to do with no losses). So now there are some kind of reward for players that lose units. Bad thing is those rewards are totally useless in gameplay.

Yeah, it was somewhat disappointing to find out that they do not affect gameplay in any way. They could have thought of something here (like a discount for viking units after defeating the undead spider, because you are well known for this feat).

@Nevar: A playthrough with just peasants sounds hilarious. But I guess with soothsayer and timeless + big number of buffs (as soon as timeless is patched to actually work) this should work fine, as soon as you get the good spells. But it sounds extremely boring.

[Nevar]

Originally Posted by Xargon

Yeah, it was somewhat disappointing to find out that they do not affect gameplay in any way. They could have thought of something here (like a discount for viking units after defeating the undead spider, because you are well known for this feat).

@Nevar: A playthrough with just peasants sounds hilarious. But I guess with soothsayer and timeless + big number of buffs (as soon as timeless is patched to actually work) this should work fine, as soon as you get the good spells. But it sounds extremely boring.

True, I expect the player would get bored at some point. Would be hilarious for a while, though.

[Kel]

Originally Posted by Fatt_Shade

As for developers now in WotN forcing players to lose units, it`s come in achievements that are totally useless ,but look shiny and we all know that today gamers like shiny things (Heartless = lose 10.000 units in game [..]

Summoned units count towards the heartless achievement. While i was in verlon wasteland i used royal thorns (and summoned lots of thorn warriors/hunters) and got the achievement, without ever losing a "real" unit.