Are Lvl 5 Units viable anymore?

[namad]

Originally Posted by camelotcrusade

How many hit points are we talking? Would a max level sacrifice plus maidens to restore the sacrificial stack work? I've been growing my own level 4s for a while... all I need is one starter troop and my trusty sacrificial dagger (courtesy of the spell). There are so many weak fights I look forward to them because it's safe to grow more troops.

Hmm. Are royal thorns level 5? If they are then it works on them just fine. I get two a pop, and that's with level 2 sacrifice (haven't blown the crystals yet to upgrade it to 3... ouch). I'm a skald, too, so I'm not really the ubermage.

royal thorns are level 4. you can't use level 1 sacrifice spell to create new ogres, nor new ice dragons, nor new royal thorns. just now tested it.


my theory is that sacrifice cannot create new plants NOR new level 5 units. (note you can create ice spiders via sacrifice so ice creation ability doesn't prevent sacrifice, this being an ability the ice dragon also has).


I've always loved thorns but the fact you can't using sacrifice or healing magic on them AND they're always rare in stores means it can be hard to use them all game long. or impossible.

[marc]

Originally Posted by namad

royal thorns are level 4. you can't use level 1 sacrifice spell to create new ogres, nor new ice dragons, nor new royal thorns. just now tested it.


my theory is that sacrifice cannot create new plants NOR new level 5 units. (note you can create ice spiders via sacrifice so ice creation ability doesn't prevent sacrifice, this being an ability the ice dragon also has).


I've always loved thorns but the fact you can't using sacrifice or healing magic on them AND they're always rare in stores means it can be hard to use them all game long. or impossible.

I use lvl 1 sacrifice all the time to make new green dragons and archdemons, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. In fact, with a lvl 3 sacrifice, I can easily get 5 dragons a pop (at 60 int) as a mage.

[Razorflame]

ofc level 5 army is viable lol

they have most hp do alot of damage and have high and def rates

you don't have to use heal/stone skinn all the time (unlike level 4 units who need em)

and if we are speaking about enemy having high numbers well who gives a deal? a smart player will always find a way to beat it


and as a side note for people who be wanting to use dragons or any level 5 units



USE orc shaman( their TOTEM heals every round but most importantly THEY HEAL BLACK dragons) (on side note at least they did in KB:ap )


i gotta go i will go into further details when i'm back home

[namad]

Originally Posted by marc

I use lvl 1 sacrifice all the time to make new green dragons and archdemons, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. In fact, with a lvl 3 sacrifice, I can easily get 5 dragons a pop (at 60 int) as a mage.

hmmm maybe my intelligence is just too low! I didn't think to consider that!


however... are royal thorns, black dragons, ice dragons sacrifice increase able?

my lack of intelligence might explain why I can't create an ogre, it might explain why I can't create an ice dragon, but it doesn't explain why I can't create a royal thorn? are plants just unable to be raised this way?



edit: looks like magic immunity is shared by black and ice dragons and prevents sacrifice so the fact there aren't very many of either in my game means i won't be able to use them much longer than now

[camelotcrusade]

Originally Posted by namad

my theory is that sacrifice cannot create new plants NOR new level 5 units. (note you can create ice spiders via sacrifice so ice creation ability doesn't prevent sacrifice, this being an ability the ice dragon also has).

Sacrifice works just fine on level 5s - but keep in mind a lot of them (like most dragons) are immune to magic. You also can't use it in any way on summons, like the plants a Royal Thorn summons (but it works on the Royal Thorns themselves).

As Marc said, it definitely works on level 5s. I just used it to create a green dragon (thank you, blade of pain... +10% sacrifice power hehehe).

[Nevar]

Originally Posted by camelotcrusade

Sacrifice works just fine on level 5s - but keep in mind a lot of them (like most dragons) are immune to magic. You also can't use it in any way on summons, like the plants a Royal Thorn summons (but it works on the Royal Thorns themselves).

As Marc said, it definitely works on level 5s. I just used it to create a green dragon (thank you, blade of pain... +10% sacrifice power hehehe).

SOME dragons... There are... what? 2 units in this game immune to magic?

Also, on that note, has anyone else noticed that Geyser now hits Black Dragons?

[Zechnophobe]

Originally Posted by Nevar

SOME dragons... There are... what? 2 units in this game immune to magic?

Also, on that note, has anyone else noticed that Geyser now hits Black Dragons?

Book of Evil, Phoenix, Black and Ice Dragons, Chaos Dragon

[Karlos]

Originally Posted by Nevar

Also, on that note, has anyone else noticed that Geyser now hits Black Dragons?

I absolutely noticed, no fair! But seriously, I just think it's another bug. It's "immunity to magic" not "immunity to magic except Geyser" right?

[Dragnipurake]

Originally Posted by Karlos

I absolutely noticed, no fair! But seriously, I just think it's another bug. It's "immunity to magic" not "immunity to magic except Geyser" right?

Maybe it's immune to spells that specifically target it, but not collateral AoE damage. Has anyone tried other AoE spells on them?

(I'm not saying that's how it 'should' work, just that it might have been implemented this way in WoTN. But if it's only Geyser then yeah, probably a bug)

[namad]

well... remember the armageddon+black dragon combo? yeah... immune to all meant immune to all, eh?