Urgent help needed

[cihank1]

Originally Posted by Bhruic

Ok, you can think that if you want, but (A) the trolls are static, not random, and (B) plenty of people (including myself) have done the fight without Trolls or stone skin. It's definitely a hard fight, but people have posted multiple strategies, and yes, quite a few don't rely on trolls/stone skin. In fact, the trolls/stone skin approach only really popped up as part of a no-loss run.

In which shop they're being sold? Can you give the exact directions?

[Bhruic]

This thread has some pics that detail the location.

[Dragnipurake]

I beat the Spider on Impossible without trolls ... so it should be really doable on Normal

I used all 3 variants of Snakes, which are very good against the spiders due to their high poison resistance. I only used their ranged strike against the spider boss in order to avoid melee retaliation (ensure that there are no adjacent units when making a ranged attack on boss, since boss can choose to retaliate with webbing which has a chance of catching one adjacent unit as well). I always used Dispel to remove the 2-turn stun when possible. Other 2 units were Assassins (which I used to mop up spiders) and Berserkers (can deal big damage early on when berserking if you're lucky with crits).

Still needed a bit of luck with criticals to take the boss down, and I was left with only half-stacks of Assassins and Royal Snakes.

Or ... you could use trolls. I wasn't aware of the hidden shop on Vestlig. Beating the Spider the hard way was very satisfying though.

[Zechnophobe]

Originally Posted by Dragnipurake

I beat the Spider on Impossible without trolls ... so it should be really doable on Normal

I used all 3 variants of Snakes, which are very good against the spiders due to their high poison resistance. I only used their ranged strike against the spider boss in order to avoid melee retaliation (ensure that there are no adjacent units when making a ranged attack on boss, since boss can choose to retaliate with webbing which has a chance of catching one adjacent unit as well). I always used Dispel to remove the 2-turn stun when possible. Other 2 units were Assassins (which I used to mop up spiders) and Berserkers (can deal big damage early on when berserking if you're lucky with crits).

Still needed a bit of luck with criticals to take the boss down, and I was left with only half-stacks of Assassins and Royal Snakes.

Or ... you could use trolls. I wasn't aware of the hidden shop on Vestlig. Beating the Spider the hard way was very satisfying though.

Oh hey, did you use that one quest item? You get a staff from the witch that increases your damage with snakes by like 2 or something silly. I bet that'd rock with an all snake army at that point.

[Dragnipurake]

Originally Posted by Zechnophobe

Oh hey, did you use that one quest item? You get a staff from the witch that increases your damage with snakes by like 2 or something silly. I bet that'd rock with an all snake army at that point.

Hm I don't think so. Completed the Witch's quest before attempting the Spider. I wasn't even expecting to use any snakes in my playthrough lol ... but I was forced to experiment with all sorts of army compositions, probably spent like 4-5 hours stuck at that fight.

[Nevar]

Originally Posted by Zechnophobe

Oh hey, did you use that one quest item? You get a staff from the witch that increases your damage with snakes by like 2 or something silly. I bet that'd rock with an all snake army at that point.

I was seriously wondering if there were going to be any quest items that were too awesome to give up. I confess that after checking a lot of them, I'd given up, and so I missed out on this.

I've always wanted a snake army.

[Xargon]

Originally Posted by Nevar

I was seriously wondering if there were going to be any quest items that were too awesome to give up. I confess that after checking a lot of them, I'd given up, and so I missed out on this.

I've always wanted a snake army.

Well, you get that snake ring in return which may be even more useful - but only when upgraded. It will probably be impossible (or at least very hard, as one should be careful with the word "impossible" in this game) to do the upgrade fight before the spider boss, though. So keeping the staff until then sounds like a wise choice if you intend to use snakes on the boss...

[cihank1]

FINALLY! I found the store selling trolls and kicked that stupid giant spider's hairy butt. In fact, it was piece of cake with trolls - lost only a few troops. This is without a doubt one of the most unbalanced, frustrating and silly boss fights in gaming history. So congratulations to the developers, I guess.

Thanks for everybody's help.

[Nevar]

Originally Posted by Xargon

Well, you get that snake ring in return which may be even more useful - but only when upgraded. It will probably be impossible (or at least very hard, as one should be careful with the word "impossible" in this game) to do the upgrade fight before the spider boss, though. So keeping the staff until then sounds like a wise choice if you intend to use snakes on the boss...

I actually have 3 Snake Rings XD
Still, another boost would have been nice. They'd be doing... what? Triple their normal damage?

I wish there was a way to consistently summon snakes, though. Lunge doesn't count bonus damage form equips, iirc.

[Harakiri]

I actually think the fight is very very unfair for mages. All other fights - even the ones after are trivial in comparision

I played on normal i had about 3200 leadership so max 2 trolls, i killed every enemy before the spider, was level 19 i think on normal

I didnt find any resurrect scrolls, or mana spring or whatever. I tried multiple combinations of snakes, trolls, sea pirates etc - the problem was that every round - 3-4 spiders came and the stack grew. I would be able to clear the spiders but than i couldnt harm the giant one - or even with summoning level 3 animals - the spider just hits to hard - even using range attacks.

After 4 tries which each took about 20-25min i never got her below 5000 - and even if you killed the spider you need to kill the remaining spiders too.

So anyway, before i threw the game away for being such a ******* unfair game to a mage (the fight would be a cakewalk with double leadership) i cheated with shift+^ and set doublearmy to every of my troops except one - now, with basically 6400 leadership - the fight was done in 3 rounds.