Bugs Thread

[Bhruic]

Originally Posted by camelotcrusade

Orc Hunters render units unattackable with Control Animal: If the target of control animals survives it can become unattackable by melee and must be ranged to be defeated.

I'm not sure if this is still true or not, but it overlooks a bigger issue - that the ability as described isn't supposed to control animals. The tooltip for their only ability is "Training", and the description for it is that it allows the Orc Hunter to summon a unit of animals. If, in fact it only allows you to control animals (and I'm pretty sure it does), then the bigger point is that the tooltip is completely wrong.

edit: Also, despite their description claiming they are, Witch Hunters are not immune to mind spells.

edit x2: Magic Shackles won't work on Necromancers: No information on Magic Shackles or on Necromancers explains why it doesn't work on them (it works on all other undead). It won't even work on a single necromancer, so it's not a leadership issue. Please allow it to work or make clear which feature prevents magic shackle.

It's definitely Mind immunity that prevents Magic Shackles from applying. That's still a bug, as there's nothing indicating that in the description, but it not working appears to be WAI.

[camelotcrusade]

Thanks for the insights. I've modified the Orc Hunter entry and also added your fix for Hilda's arrows (thanks). For the Necromancer entry, I think you're saying the problem is they have a hidden mind immunity, not that magic shackles doesn't work on them. I updated that too and moved it to the units section.

If anybody has a fight handy where they can try other mind magic on necromancers it would be good to confirm their mind immunity extends to all mind spells to validate our diagnosis.

[Bhruic]

It's definitely the case, it's stated plainly in the necromant.atom file.

The problem is twofold: First that Necromancers aren't listed as being immune to mind spells, and second that Magic Shackle isn't listed as being a mind spell. It definitely wasn't in AP.

Don't forget the Witch Hunters not having the mind immunity that they are listed as having.

[camelotcrusade]

Originally Posted by Bhruic

It's definitely the case, it's stated plainly in the necromant.atom file.

The problem is twofold: First that Necromancers aren't listed as being immune to mind spells, and second that Magic Shackle isn't listed as being a mind spell. It definitely wasn't in AP.

Don't forget the Witch Hunters not having the mind immunity that they are listed as having.

Thanks for clarifying, I thought I was missing something! I'll go make updates now.

[Bhruic]

Originally Posted by camelotcrusade

I've modified the Orc Hunter entry

Ok, now I'm confused as to where the "Control Animal" thing came from. Is there another unit with that ability and someone confused the two? I finally had an (enemy) Orc Hunter do it's training ability, and that correctly summoned a unit of snakes. So it seems it's working properly.

At best I could say that the AI doesn't prioritize it enough, as summon extra stacks of units should definitely be given priority over other actions, but that's a bit nit-picky.

[Zechnophobe]

Originally Posted by Bhruic

Ok, now I'm confused as to where the "Control Animal" thing came from. Is there another unit with that ability and someone confused the two? I finally had an (enemy) Orc Hunter do it's training ability, and that correctly summoned a unit of snakes. So it seems it's working properly.

At best I could say that the AI doesn't prioritize it enough, as summon extra stacks of units should definitely be given priority over other actions, but that's a bit nit-picky.

Druids had both a bear summoning ability, and a 'Control Animal' ability. I get the feeling maybe someone attached the wrong ability to the correct tooltip and visual info.

[Bhruic]

Originally Posted by Zechnophobe

Druids had both a bear summoning ability, and a 'Control Animal' ability. I get the feeling maybe someone attached the wrong ability to the correct tooltip and visual info.

Well, the Orc Hunters ability is correct in that its function matches its description. Maybe whoever reported this bug meant to describe a bug with Druids rather than Orc Hunters?

[camelotcrusade]

Originally Posted by Bhruic

Well, the Orc Hunters ability is correct in that its function matches its description. Maybe whoever reported this bug meant to describe a bug with Druids rather than Orc Hunters?

Here is the original post: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=363. He said the hunters charmed his stack of snakes using control animal. Might they have used another ability to do the charming? I don't remember what all they do.

[Bhruic]

Originally Posted by camelotcrusade

Here is the original post: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=363. He said the hunters charmed his stack of snakes using control animal. Might they have used another ability to do the charming? I don't remember what all they do.

Nope, Training is their only ability. Maybe there's some sort of bug that allows them to use it on enemy stacks as well as summon their own stack?

[camelotcrusade]

Originally Posted by Zechnophobe

Druids had both a bear summoning ability, and a 'Control Animal' ability. I get the feeling maybe someone attached the wrong ability to the correct tooltip and visual info.

I just found my first druids today and noticed that, too! Control animal says it summons, but then goes on to say the troops fight for you for two turns. That really sounds like it's supposed to be a charm to me.

I finally opened up both the elf and the orc islands and could potentially buy both druids and orc hunters for testing (maybe tomorrow... election is too distracting ). Tooltip/description issues are what's going on if I had to guess.