The Last Patch Didn't Fix The Game

[GF_Mastiff]

Originally Posted by SharpeXB

Nice eye candy of a damage model in an otherwise unplayable game

how do you have those damage decals on? from my understanding there off...not working..

[RickRuski]

Chivas
Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007
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Originally Posted by RickRuski
Originally posted by Chivas: _

There is no chance there will be a demo. They don't have the time or money to produce one. Like I said in many previous posts, you will have to make a decision based on reviews you trust.
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Sorry Chivas I don't agree with you, they will have to do something to win back the trust and a time limited demo (or an open beta) would be the way to go. Microsoft has time limited betas for some software so where is the problem.
You have also stated that we should go on reviews by those that we trust with the sequel, who do we trust?. A lot of those posting in the forums could be classed as "fan boys", I certainly wouldn't trust their opinions. After seeing how the supporters of the Il2 series have been hung out to dry with the C.o.D. I certainly won't trust the developers with the sequel without proof, their specs will no longer mean anything to those who have waited 18 months only to be told that C.o.D. is finished.

To the developers: -

SHOW US THE PROOF
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Microsoft can afford to have all the demos it would like. The new IL-2 developement has neither the time or the money to waste on a Demo. I didn't say to trust fanboy reviews, I said find one you could trust, maybe check out the reviewers that gave COD poor reviews last time and see if things have changed. Its all common sense, use it. There will be plenty of reviews, you should be able to figure it out.
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I don't think that the new Il2 development can afford not to, at least it would give the team a wider base to find the faults before releasing the sequel to the public.
Give us an open beta or a playable time limited demo, either will be better than nothing. What do you have against that type of system apart from cost to the team? (it may end up being more benificial than not).
Is it that your'e worried that the result would mean the demise of the current Il2 series? or that too many faults would be found delaying further the release of the sequel.
Better to find most of the problems before another disaster hits, it would also get the community involved and supportive of the sequels (don't think that there won't be problems with the sequel, after 18 months of development with C.o.D. there are still problems that haven't been addressed).
With a new GUI and probably a revamped engine people will hold back and wait to see what has happened with the sequel, (not excactly what the developers and the investors would want) nobody in their right mind will jump in this time without some proof.

The reviewers that gave their opinions on C.o.D. certainly didn't find the problems that arose after release, certainly not things like CTD's, no dx9 support, no Sli/ Xfire support etc. The lack of dx9 support also ment no xp support (or problems with it). Now we have the problem of Windows 8. It is obvious from the lack of communication from the developers that we now have two sets of windows (xp and 8 ) that currently aren't considered worth the trouble.
Dear o dear how much worse can things get??.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by RickRuski

Chivas
Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,684



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Quote:
Originally Posted by RickRuski
Originally posted by Chivas: _

There is no chance there will be a demo. They don't have the time or money to produce one. Like I said in many previous posts, you will have to make a decision based on reviews you trust.
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Sorry Chivas I don't agree with you, they will have to do something to win back the trust and a time limited demo (or an open beta) would be the way to go. Microsoft has time limited betas for some software so where is the problem.
You have also stated that we should go on reviews by those that we trust with the sequel, who do we trust?. A lot of those posting in the forums could be classed as "fan boys", I certainly wouldn't trust their opinions. After seeing how the supporters of the Il2 series have been hung out to dry with the C.o.D. I certainly won't trust the developers with the sequel without proof, their specs will no longer mean anything to those who have waited 18 months only to be told that C.o.D. is finished.

To the developers: -

SHOW US THE PROOF
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Posted by Chivas: -

Microsoft can afford to have all the demos it would like. The new IL-2 developement has neither the time or the money to waste on a Demo. I didn't say to trust fanboy reviews, I said find one you could trust, maybe check out the reviewers that gave COD poor reviews last time and see if things have changed. Its all common sense, use it. There will be plenty of reviews, you should be able to figure it out.
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I don't think that the new Il2 development can afford not to, at least it would give the team a wider base to find the faults before releasing the sequel to the public.
Give us an open beta or a playable time limited demo, either will be better than nothing. What do you have against that type of system apart from cost to the team? (it may end up being more benificial than not).
Is it that your'e worried that the result would mean the demise of the current Il2 series? or that too many faults would be found delaying further the release of the sequel.
Better to find most of the problems before another disaster hits, it would also get the community involved and supportive of the sequels (don't think that there won't be problems with the sequel, after 18 months of development with C.o.D. there are still problems that haven't been addressed).
With a new GUI and probably a revamped engine people will hold back and wait to see what has happened with the sequel, (not excactly what the developers and the investors would want) nobody in their right mind will jump in this time without some proof.

The reviewers that gave their opinions on C.o.D. certainly didn't find the problems that arose after release, certainly not things like CTD's, no dx9 support, no Sli/ Xfire support etc. The lack of dx9 support also ment no xp support (or problems with it). Now we have the problem of Windows 8. It is obvious from the lack of communication from the developers that we now have two sets of windows (xp and 8 ) that currently aren't considered worth the trouble.
Dear o dear how much worse can things get??.

I don't have anything against having a demo. It wouldn't bother me one way or the other. There will be more than enough info after release for me to make a valued decision either way. I'm just saying its highly unlikely the publishers will spend the time and money on a demo. The series is way too far in debt to even think about spending more unnecessary money, for something very few people will need, to make their decision.

[Redroach]

Originally Posted by Chivas

I don't have anything against having a demo. It wouldn't bother me one way or the other. There will be more than enough info after release for me to make a valued decision either way. I'm just saying its highly unlikely the publishers will spend the time and money on a demo. The series is way too far in debt to even think about spending more unnecessary money, for something very few people will need, to make their decision.

Quite a strange opinion. People want to see a demo and you argue that "there is no money for an unnecessary demo"? If anything, then this argument puts people off in droves... I mean, MG may not want to put out a demo, sure, but they shouldn't use *THAT* argument; under no circumstances...

[robtek]

The people who will pay the biggest part of the developement are the wwii flight sim fans, which are in the majority have already made up their mind about buying or not, the few stragglers which are not wwii flight sim fans already, can easily be ignored as the resulting additional income wouldn't cover the costs for the demo.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Redroach

Quite a strange opinion. People want to see a demo and you argue that "there is no money for an unnecessary demo"? If anything, then this argument puts people off in droves... I mean, MG may not want to put out a demo, sure, but they shouldn't use *THAT* argument; under no circumstances...

In your opinion it may be strange, but I think you'd be in the minority. It would be nice if the development had the luxury of time and money to produce a demo, but thats highly unlikely. The development doesn't need to post any argument for or against a demo. Their much higher priority is developing a playable, and entertaining WW2 aircombat sim. Everything else will fall into place.

[furbs]

There is no need for a demo, most people will wait for the release and decide if to buy on reviews from trusted sources.

I will wait myself.

[Redroach]

...and yes, what furbs says.
If ever.
I shall not forget those 18 months of misery, and being lied to, to the point of thinking "Man, they must have a good laugh right now...".
So BoM better be flawless, with some big, pleasant surprises (flawless as well, of course - you can never be sure with MG) thrown in.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Chivas

but I think you'd be in the minority.

Agreed..

I can not wait for BoM..

And I will not wait on it like I did CoD (more on this later)

I will pre-order BoM as soon as it is aval!

On that note, CoD was one of the 1st flight sims that I actually waited to buy!

Why?

Not because of anything 1C ever did, no..

The reason I waited to buy CoD was due to UBI and how they handled silent hunter 5..

My fear was UBI would have some say in how long 1C 'could' provide support of CoD

In that the support of Silent Hunter 5 was dropped very soon after release!

That is to say what some see as a negative, i.e. 1C supporting CoD for 18+ months is a positive in my book! In that the flip side of that coin is to do what the makers of Silent Hunter did! The true definition of take the money and run..

But I digress

About six months after CoD's release, I saw that UBI had no say let alone control over 1C's support of CoD, so I pulled the trigger and bought CoD!

At this point in time is CoD everything 'some' people 'dreamed' it would be?

Nope!

In that most things in life are never what people 'dream' they could or should be!

But is CoD a very playable and best BOB simulator to date?

Yup!

And this new flight sim engine develop by 1C is positioned to provide us more flight sim sequels in the near future! Just like the orginal IL-2 flight sim engine did!

All in all I am a very happy camper!

Than again my dreams are rooted in reality!

[nearmiss]

This thread is locked.

There is nothing more to be done with COD.

This type threads is a waste of words, if you have problems the only solution is to get onto technical threads and share. There are a myriad of problems that can be solved this way.

There are many types of systems with all types of anomalies, which others have experienced and they can usually help.

You might also try the search function on those sub-forums for answers.