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Old 11-04-2012, 01:42 PM
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How does VAC work?

Method 1:

The developer has to define Files safe and unsafe for modification, i.e. player and weaponskins in Counterstrike Source, which can be modified to the liking of the players and files that are unsafe, i.e. d3d8.dll. Now VAC runs a checksum comparison on those unsafe files, if they mismatch, a flag is raised in the system and the player is marked for ban.

Method 2:

Like Anti-Virus programs, it checks for known cheat signatures. If it finds an enabled cheat running or traces thereof in the ram, the player is marked for future ban. Furthermore, on VAC updates, known cheats will no longer work whilst being online, as VAC blocks them outright.

When will a cheater get banned?

VAC acts like an Attorney. It collects evidence to build a case. If it has collected enough, a cheater will be banned. It is not unheard of masses getting banned for cheating. It has always been a big deal in the communities.

Addendum: Method 1 is only used by VAC2, in CS1.6, modified OpenGL.dlls, were used widely, before the system was switched to VAC2.

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Old 11-05-2012, 01:37 AM
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Those that are denying that there are cheaters in CloD are burying their heads in the sand. In its current ability, cheats are happening online every day within CloD.

The fact that people are showing these cheats off while online is proof that they're not affected by any monitoring or control.

They're out there...right now. Not everyone, but the cheats are out there. Don't be stupid by denying it blindly.
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:09 AM
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VAC is a server side setting. Recently servers started to use it.

However VAC needs correct definitions to catch cheats. Please if you are concerned about cheaters and VAC contact Steam and inform them of some methods of changing game files (e.g. send them files from the mod section of the forums). If you did not inform Steam I am sure they will not be looking for CloD cheaters themselves. This is how Punkbuster works too: players report cheats to them and they add them to DB.

No point to post about VAC here IMO.
So how do you know if a sever is running VAC ? How does a server set up VAC to run ?
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:12 AM
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when i looked in the conf.ini file to see whether i could get rid of the visibility-disappearing-bug, i saw that there is a line VAC=1

maybe thats how they do it?
but again thats strange, as it is set to 1 by default ever since,....and people were/are cheating online...
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Old 11-04-2012, 12:02 PM
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So how do you know if a sever is running VAC ? How does a server set up VAC to run ?
It is set in confs.ini with VAC=1 line.

When you click on a server in server browser on the right hand you see server information. One line reads as "security" (in RU version at least) if server has VAC on.

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but again thats strange, as it is set to 1 by default ever since,....and people were/are cheating online...
I have not seen any cheating. I think these are just pure rumors spread by people who do not fly every day for 3-5 hours and are shot down by those who do.

If VAC is not working properly and you see any cheating please contact Steam VAC team and ask them to address the issue.
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:23 AM
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read the comments as well


btw,....this cheat, and no problem to get to altitude????and the devs do not manage it?
Exactly what i thought when i saw this!
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:30 AM
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Looks like online play takes a hit, too. That's what I don't like about competitive online play - the cheaters turn up. And you can hardly, if ever catch the cautious ones, who only cheat very subtly.
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Old 11-04-2012, 11:26 AM
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For such a tiny community I highly doubt that anybody is cheating. The regulars who play often know what is possible and what is not. Part of the problem is most of the people who are accusing only fly the aircraft for one side, so they do not understand the capabilities of their opponents machines. Any multiplayer game there are people who will push the game to the absolute limit of what is possible, far beyond the understand or ability of the average player.

Also, I have played multiplayer games on Steam for a long time now and besides games developed by Valve (CS, TF2, L4D, etc..) I have not seen any indication that VAC is effective whatsoever. Red Orchestra had a small community and VAC enabled servers but nobody was ever caught by VAC even though we had known cheaters who were caught in competitive play by watching their demos. Even Valve games, where VAC should work, still aren't 100% protected. I played on a competitive TF2 team in several leagues and little did any of us know that our sniper was cheating. Not until after he head shot several cloaked spies in a match was he caught by the community, not VAC.

Anyway, there is like less than 200 players actively playing this game online. Cheating is not a problem currently but ignorance is.
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Old 11-04-2012, 11:38 AM
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For such a tiny community I highly doubt that anybody is cheating. The regulars who play often know what is possible and what is not. Part of the problem is most of the people who are accusing only fly the aircraft for one side, so they do not understand the capabilities of their opponents machines. Any multiplayer game there are people who will push the game to the absolute limit of what is possible, far beyond the understand or ability of the average player.

Also, I have played multiplayer games on Steam for a long time now and besides games developed by Valve (CS, TF2, L4D, etc..) I have not seen any indication that VAC is effective whatsoever. Red Orchestra had a small community and VAC enabled servers but nobody was ever caught by VAC even though we had known cheaters who were caught in competitive play by watching their demos. Even Valve games, where VAC should work, still aren't 100% protected. I played on a competitive TF2 team in several leagues and little did any of us know that our sniper was cheating. Not until after he head shot several cloaked spies in a match was he caught by the community, not VAC.

Anyway, there is like less than 200 players actively playing this game online. Cheating is not a problem currently but ignorance is.
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Old 11-04-2012, 11:51 AM
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For such a tiny community I highly doubt that anybody is cheating. The regulars who play often know what is possible and what is not. Part of the problem is most of the people who are accusing only fly the aircraft for one side, so they do not understand the capabilities of their opponents machines. Any multiplayer game there are people who will push the game to the absolute limit of what is possible, far beyond the understand or ability of the average player.

Also, I have played multiplayer games on Steam for a long time now and besides games developed by Valve (CS, TF2, L4D, etc..) I have not seen any indication that VAC is effective whatsoever. Red Orchestra had a small community and VAC enabled servers but nobody was ever caught by VAC even though we had known cheaters who were caught in competitive play by watching their demos. Even Valve games, where VAC should work, still aren't 100% protected. I played on a competitive TF2 team in several leagues and little did any of us know that our sniper was cheating. Not until after he head shot several cloaked spies in a match was he caught by the community, not VAC.

Anyway, there is like less than 200 players actively playing this game online. Cheating is not a problem currently but ignorance is.
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I never saw any cheating online.
Only thing I saw is the plane I was following start to go unrealistically faster and that is because disconnection from the server or the game crashed.
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