Please start VAC online.

[III/JG53_Don]

Originally Posted by notafinger!

Actually the two kinds of people are those who know they are crap pilots, like myself, and try to learn from every encounter and improve their flying. The other are those who think they are Manfred von Richthofen reincarnate and if they lose it's because the other guy was cheating.

+1
there is a huge portion of truth in this statement
Besides if there are cheater in CloD right now I just have no idea, but when I fly online I never got to the idea that one opponent is suspiciously superior
I still live in my fantasy that our small community consists of honourable men and women who wants to be superior due to their flight skills and not due to their hacking skills!

[ElAurens]

Then there are those of us who have been at this a long time and know something isn't correct when we see it.

Look, people denied that there was cheating in IL2 for years, all the while the code had been opened up and the clever "cheats" just carried on padding their and their squads stats all the while maintaining that cheating was not possible.

Now we know differently.

It's no different in CloD.

Only it was opened up to exploits far earlier than IL2 was.

And yes Don, that is a fantasy world sir.

[JTDawg]

Originally Posted by notafinger!

Actually the two kinds of people are those who know they are crap pilots, like myself, and try to learn from every encounter and improve their flying. The other are those who think they are Manfred von Richthofen reincarnate and if they lose it's because the other guy was cheating.

I do agree to a point , ,I normally don't get involved with this bs , BUT m8 there are cheats on , just to show that i pay attention , your map, to begin with was a very close in plane sets, performance, speed etc , with really good dog fights etc.
Now after the patch an people know vac is not on or even working, we are right back to the same crap, Point , spit 1a was a very good match with e3, an could even catch the e3 ,(if you took your time ) e1 was easier ! At co alt an speed , we could catch you in the apex of your climb everytime an i mean every time !! Sure you could climb a tad higher ( this is not directed at you , but the blue players i see using this hack) .. NOW what we have is e3 that flys 30 to 50 mph faster then it did 2 weeks ago, THAT can climb at co alt an energy that extra 2 to 3000 feet or more than 2 weeks ago ! an can climb as high as it wants , only to roll over when they want , NOT to lack of speed, as does the fair player!!! The hacks that have been brought up in other threads do work !!! To say they don't is a bold faced lie !!
Your map was really great , as this map really shows the hack is back !!
I do understand the differance between a good pilot an 1 that is pulling B.S., tHEY STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB DOING THE SURERMAN CLIMB, ,What we need is some of these script writers that know these hacks are being used , explain to steam how it is done, then maybe they will do something about it, till then it's a cheaters game !!!! The last patch brought many planes being closer to even speeds etc. now once again we are seeing the uber 109s back in town , not worried abit about a ban or loss of game, If there are 90 planes in game depending on time of day etc. will even split sides to 45 each side , now out of the 45 blue , I would bet a pay check 4 to 8 blue players are using this hack, SO 10 to 15% are using on a daily basis ,
So let's quit dening every body is clean a fair , they are not. To the smart guys that are fair an understand how they do it , help put a end to this very noticiable hack !!!!

[notafinger!]

Originally Posted by JTDawg

So let's quit dening every body is clean a fair , they are not. To the smart guys that are fair an understand how they do it , help put a end to this very noticiable hack !!!!

If you believe that strongly then record tracks and submit to the server admins and have these people banned. Any action against will have to be from the community because I can assure you that nothing is going to happen with VAC.

[recoilfx]

I won't speak for others, but personally when the Spits got their performance back, i had a horrible time out climbing the Spit Ias

- HOWEVER - Recently i have figured out that climbing at 300kms is a lot better than my old 250kms. At this rate, Spits can not keep up AND i still have energy to do a vertical loop to turn this into a vertical fight.

Diving at sustained high speed (equalize boogie's max speed), then gentle climb at 300kms will usually leave the Spits behind.

It may be that other blue riders are figuring out the same thing...

[David198502]

Originally Posted by JTDawg

I do agree to a point , ,I normally don't get involved with this bs , BUT m8 there are cheats on , just to show that i pay attention , your map, to begin with was a very close in plane sets, performance, speed etc , with really good dog fights etc.
Now after the patch an people know vac is not on or even working, we are right back to the same crap, Point , spit 1a was a very good match with e3, an could even catch the e3 ,(if you took your time ) e1 was easier ! At co alt an speed , we could catch you in the apex of your climb everytime an i mean every time !! Sure you could climb a tad higher ( this is not directed at you , but the blue players i see using this hack) .. NOW what we have is e3 that flys 30 to 50 mph faster then it did 2 weeks ago, THAT can climb at co alt an energy that extra 2 to 3000 feet or more than 2 weeks ago ! an can climb as high as it wants , only to roll over when they want , NOT to lack of speed, as does the fair player!!! The hacks that have been brought up in other threads do work !!! To say they don't is a bold faced lie !!
Your map was really great , as this map really shows the hack is back !!
I do understand the differance between a good pilot an 1 that is pulling B.S., tHEY STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB DOING THE SURERMAN CLIMB, ,What we need is some of these script writers that know these hacks are being used , explain to steam how it is done, then maybe they will do something about it, till then it's a cheaters game !!!! The last patch brought many planes being closer to even speeds etc. now once again we are seeing the uber 109s back in town , not worried abit about a ban or loss of game, If there are 90 planes in game depending on time of day etc. will even split sides to 45 each side , now out of the 45 blue , I would bet a pay check 4 to 8 blue players are using this hack, SO 10 to 15% are using on a daily basis ,
So let's quit dening every body is clean a fair , they are not. To the smart guys that are fair an understand how they do it , help put a end to this very noticiable hack !!!!

what exactly do you mean with this hack???

i can for example confidently say, that im no cheater, but at ~ equal energy i outclimb spits as well vertical....one just have to fly clean...
and as a pure 109 pilot, i do not notice a difference between the different 109models in climb performance...at least im able to outclimb RAF in all versions.

[Catseye]

Originally Posted by notafinger!

Actually the two kinds of people are those who know they are crap pilots, like myself, and try to learn from every encounter and improve their flying. The other are those who think they are Manfred von Richthofen reincarnate and if they lose it's because the other guy was cheating.

To me it doesn't matter if a person is a noob or an ace. Just checking the kill stats window inflight and watching numbers going up for certain pilots, to ridiculous figures within one hours flying time is enough to put up the yellow caution flags for me. This is repeated over and over.

Nobody is that good!

That they can have 14 kills within an hour while other very good pilots and well-known are around 3 or so. The statistics are important here. Heck, there isn't enough ammo on board for these numbers and not enough time to land and takeoff again to even find enough targets to initiate these numbers. Something is very amiss.

I've seen some pilots totaling up to 10 plus kills but they've been online for most of the day - not one hour and not necessarily repeatable.

I've been flying for many years and In my mind I'm convinced that there are good pilots out there that have some additional augmentation going on. The stats indicate that possibility.

I have no idea what these are because I do not spend any effort into looking at mods - not my style.

This is why IMHO that VAC needs to be turned on and active and the developers should have made it a part of their final delivery.

[notafinger!]

Originally Posted by Catseye

To me it doesn't matter if a person is a noob or an ace. Just checking the kill stats window inflight and watching numbers going up for certain pilots, to ridiculous figures within one hours flying time is enough to put up the yellow caution flags for me. This is repeated over and over.

No body is that good!

That they can have 14 kills within an hour while other very good pilots and well-known are around 3 or so. The statistics are important here. Heck, there isn't enough ammo on board for these numbers and not enough time to land and takeoff again to even find enough targets to initiate these numbers. Something is very amiss.

I've seen some pilots totaling up to 10 plus kills but they've been online for most of the day - not one hour and not necessarily repeatable.

I've been flying for many years and In my mind I'm convinced that there are good pilots out there that have some additional augmentation going on. The stats indicate that possibility.

I have no idea what these are because I do not spend any effort into looking at mods - not my style.

This is why IMHO that VAC needs to be turned on and active and the developers should have made it a part of their final delivery.

I'm sorry to have to do this and please don't take personal offense. Read this article and maybe you will start to understand. This is a video game. The guy who plays it from a purely competitive mindset is approaching it completely different than the guy playing from simulation/history mindset. You play for fun/leisure, he plays for sport. The article will probably upset you but you should read it to the end.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html

[AbortedMan]

Originally Posted by notafinger!

I'm sorry to have to do this and please don't take personal offense. Read this article and maybe you will start to understand. This is a video game. The guy who plays it from a purely competitive mindset is approaching it completely different than the guy playing from simulation/history mindset. You play for fun/leisure, he plays for sport. The article will probably upset you but you should read it to the end.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html

No personal offense taken here, I understand your sentiment and what you're trying to say, no offense at all to you and your intelligence, but surely you cannot be that dense and believe that any aspect of online gaming on any platform is completely pure and devoid of the scum that are cheaters.

It's extremely possible in this game to cheat undetected with scripts and/or FM modifications, you have to admit that, because it's fact. Fact proven, explained, demonstrated and shown to a select few by ATAG members themselves...something to the tune of a 500-700mph aircraft in level flight on one of their test sessions. The smart cheaters don't make it blatantly obvious so they can get away with it and keep cheating. I wouldn't be surprised if there were lots of people using maphacks to get locations on enemy aircraft and nothing else...which is enough to skew the game drastically.

The first step towards doing something about cheaters is realizing there is a problem. I see no one here crying that they got shot down by a better pilot, but that they notice something is not right.

notafinger and others, do you need examples of hacks as proof that this happens everwhere and that it's not just a case of unmatched skills?...

Planetside 2 - Deemed unhackable at one point. Here is a video of a player using an aimbot and a maphack (that square map thing on the top isn't supposed to be there) that shows all locations of players. All possible by manipulating data while in RAM, where the cheat protection checks have already been passed through:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-B4gsBsKHk

Battlefield 3 - The hacks and cheats in this game are ridiculous and seemingly endless in their creativity. This video here shows my personal encounter with a cheater named dieselgreen. He was aimbotting, headshotting people with a sniper rifle while running and jumping while rapidly firing. All possible by manipulating data while in RAM, where the cheat protection checks have already been passed through:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C19YSeW4epU

IL2 1946 - Here's a ridiculous hack from 1946...the same engine that CloD is based on, mind you, meaning the same methods and tools can be used in CloD to produce the same effects if one were so technically inclined:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ9Pr_VRrzw

Please, don't be naive. Do not pass off suspicions as simple personal misjudgment of skills and ability, I'm confident that 99% of the active CloD crowd aren't those kind of people./

[Catseye]

Originally Posted by notafinger!

I'm sorry to have to do this and please don't take personal offense. Read this article and maybe you will start to understand. This is a video game. The guy who plays it from a purely competitive mindset is approaching it completely different than the guy playing from simulation/history mindset. You play for fun/leisure, he plays for sport. The article will probably upset you but you should read it to the end.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html

Not interested in comparing the different types of mindsets in gaming. I do know and I've been around enough to know that in this medium, there are no guarantees as to the honour of anyone competing.

That's why most good fliers are in squadrons with squadron etiquette and ROE in effect. Open public servers - no guarantee as to who you meet or fly against. There are some pretty big low-life people out there just as there is the opposite.

I stand by my observations of the odds of score accumulation taking into consideration all the facets of this sim.

Public servers - just like public chat rooms invite all types and without controls in place . . . . . will say no more.

As an aside, you don't really know what my mindset is in the gaming world.

Again, I draw your attention to the statistics of kills ratio and what is known to be doable by those, including me, who have been here a very very long time.