we the spaniards have been conquered by usa as halloween shows

[5./JG27.Farber]

post 5 and 6,

Agreed.

We should just go back to the wierd Pagan and Druid ones!

[major_setback]

Not only the Spaniards. They got the spaniels too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpvlnhyAHNw

[He111]

You might be surprised to know that here in OZ we never use to have Haloween .. too American but recently we've given in .. kids love it and what the hell, any excuse for a party.

As to Spains problem, and greece, i feel for you. The current economic system isn't working. We need far more cash in the world system, ALL countries need to keep printing money until inflation starts to bite then stop. Otherwise, like a engine that is starved of fuel, the world economic engine will just keep spluttering and stalling. Needs more fuel .. bigger the engine, the more fuel needed.

We'll that's my take anyway. which is quite strange because i'm a tea-party follower.

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[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

post 5 and 6,

Agreed.

We should just go back to the wierd Pagan and Druid ones!

Samhain, (where "hallowe'en" stemmed from) is Gaelic... is that Pagan enough.

and history records that many pagan festivals where adopted by christianity and renamed... it was the only way to keep the peace on gaining control of the populations. Another assimilated, so history tells us, is Ester/ Easter (pagan fertilty festival... it always had me fascinated as to what bunnies and eggs had to do with crucifiction) with christmas coming 9 months later.

[fruitbat]

The highlight of Halloween this year was walking back from the pub, and going past someone's house where they had a big lit pumpkin in the front window, with the words **** OFF beautifully carved into it.

Priceless.

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Samhain, (where "hallowe'en" stemmed from) is Gaelic... is that Pagan enough.

and history records that many pagan festivals where adopted by christianity and renamed... it was the only way to keep the peace on gaining control of the populations. Another assimilated, so history tells us, is Ester/ Easter (pagan fertilty festival... it always had me fascinated as to what bunnies and eggs had to do with crucifiction) with christmas coming 9 months later.

+1

I was going to add something like this but I would've had to do some research The 'tradition' that is being complained by some here as 'new' is actually way older than the current saints days.

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Samhain, (where "hallowe'en" stemmed from) is Gaelic... is that Pagan enough.

and history records that many pagan festivals where adopted by christianity and renamed... it was the only way to keep the peace on gaining control of the populations. Another assimilated, so history tells us, is Ester/ Easter (pagan fertilty festival... it always had me fascinated as to what bunnies and eggs had to do with crucifiction) with christmas coming 9 months later.

ALL christian holidays are stolen from the Pagans. Christmas was made to offset the winter solstice (the church made up the whole jesus bday thing in 349CE) easter is estre the fertility goddess, the eggs and rabbit represent breeding like rabbits aka fertility. IN goes on and on how religions stole from the pagans.
Yet people keep thinking its all true...sad state our civilization is in, believing in mythology. At least Sweden is over 50% rational!!

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

I'd rather celebrate Day of all Saints and honor the memory of those that has passed than have snotty little brats (and adults, for that matter) on my door in idiotic costumes begging for candy. Here in Norway there hasn't been a tradition to celebrate All Hallows Eve at all until in recent years, and it's pretty much turned into the same rubbish bullshit as Valentine's Day: A capitalistic overhyped idiocy of epic proportions.

Then again, I absolutely abhor both Halloween and Valentine's Day in general. I find both utterly ridiculous.

So you prefer to be solemn and miserable looking into the past rather than enjoy the young and future generation enjoying themselves. If they come to your door and you are rude to them then do not be surprised if that affects their attitude in later life. I see nothing wrong with kids dressing up, having fun and getting sweets from their neighbours, in the right spirit it's a nice community event, I can't see why somebody would want to spoil that.

I suspect there were people who didn't want to give at Christmas once (maybe still are)

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

Then again, I absolutely abhor both Halloween and Valentine's Day in general. I find both utterly ridiculous.

Well at least Al Capone did something usefull at Valentines Day.

[Freycinet]

Originally Posted by raaaid

in spain today we used to celebrate the day of all saints when you memory your deceased familiars

not anymore now its a kids party imposed by america and extreamly sponsored by the media

has anybody else lived that in his country?

well but seems the capitalist empire is falling isnt it here in spain half of the people my age and under is unemployed

Surely it is not the fault of the USA that Spaniards take to Halloween? Any country is allowed to try to export their culture to the best of their ability.

Point your gun somewhere else, namely at all the Spanish media and shops who are happy to sell Halloween and rake in the money, and all the Spanish parents who happily go along with it.

I know Spain very well, estuve viviendo allí medio año, and I think there is a little bit too much "blame everybody else"-attitude in your country. You got yourselves into this economic meltdown, wasting EU founds and investing in White Elephants all over the country, so stop the whining and pull yourselves up a bit. You cannot expect 1st world/Northern European lifestyle and mod-cons if you don't produce goods efficiently and organise society to higher standards.