Forcefeedback or no force feedback..?

[lokitexas]

Originally Posted by Hippy Druid

I own both the g940 and the MSFFB2. Both have that gritty feel when the motors are powered. I thought it might be a little wierd when I first got it, but you don't even notice it.
I could never use a non-ffb joystick again. The pros far outweight the cons.

In a comparison of the MSFFB2 and the G940. The G940 stick is much better.

Sure the G940 has some out-of-the-box issues, but after a few tweaks to adjust spikey rotaries and rudder pedals, the stick itself is far superior to the MSFFB2 in every way. Better built, better grip, better buttons. Just buy it!

I bought the MSFFB2 so I could mod it. But the G940 is the stick I use everytime. I am looking for another one, as a backup.

Thats the opposite of what I hear from everyone who has used the MSFF2 and G940.

FF supposedly feels much better on the MSFF2. I love it on mine. Also add to the fact that the MSFF2's are still working after all these years. I have 2 now.

Why I didnt purchase the G940, was a few things. First off the pedals, throttle, and stick are all seperate devices. That is just silly. The number of issues with reversals, spiking, and other issues, on top of the fact Logitechs lack of response to the issues is a huge turn off. Included in the price is also sub-par pedals. Anyone using, or going to use pedals of quality will switch the Logi ones that come with it. So again, paying for something I wouldnt use anyway is a waste.

I do like the button layout though. Except for the trim dials with no center detent.

So my solution was to buy the X65 to use with most sims (DCS, BMS etc). Also use one of my MSFF2 sticks with the x52 grip and buttons, for prop sims like RoF and IL2. That worked out much better.

Even using the MSFF2 with the default grip and buttons is more than enough for sims like IL2 and RoF, when you have a decent set of pedals and throttle.

My 2 cents, get a MSFF2 again. Mod it with a CH Fighter stick or x52 grip in order to use more buttons, or just by itself with a good throttle. The way the g940 is built, I doubt you will see them still working years from now..unlike the MSFF2.

[AirHog71]

Originally Posted by lokitexas

Thats the opposite of what I hear from everyone who has used the MSFF2 and G940.

FF supposedly feels much better on the MSFF2. I love it on mine. Also add to the fact that the MSFF2's are still working after all these years. I have 2 now.

Why I didnt purchase the G940, was a few things. First off the pedals, throttle, and stick are all seperate devices. That is just silly. The number of issues with reversals, spiking, and other issues, on top of the fact Logitechs lack of response to the issues is a huge turn off. Included in the price is also sub-par pedals. Anyone using, or going to use pedals of quality will switch the Logi ones that come with it. So again, paying for something I wouldnt use anyway is a waste.

I do like the button layout though. Except for the trim dials with no center detent.

So my solution was to buy the X65 to use with most sims (DCS, BMS etc). Also use one of my MSFF2 sticks with the x52 grip and buttons, for prop sims like RoF and IL2. That worked out much better.

Even using the MSFF2 with the default grip and buttons is more than enough for sims like IL2 and RoF, when you have a decent set of pedals and throttle.

My 2 cents, get a MSFF2 again. Mod it with a CH Fighter stick or x52 grip in order to use more buttons, or just by itself with a good throttle. The way the g940 is built, I doubt you will see them still working years from now..unlike the MSFF2.

Straight from the support forums eh

[lokitexas]

Originally Posted by AirHog71

Straight from the support forums eh

Huh?

[AirHog71]

Don't stress mate. Just a sly comment on the fact that you don't actually own a G940 yet you've got a lot to say about it from what "you've heard".

[lokitexas]

Originally Posted by AirHog71

Don't stress mate. Just a sly comment on the fact that you don't actually own a G940 yet you've got a lot to say about it from what "you've heard".

And that is why I said "what I have heard". Before I purchased my last HOTAS (the X65), I did research on the X65, TH Warthog, and Logi G940. Talked to squadmates who have used it (2 have), and read reviews. In the end, I decided to purchase something else, due to "what I heard".

All my points are valid. If not please point out what isnt.

[vranac]

Cable isn't the only problem with G940.

Pedals and throttle have cheap trimmers and they will wear out fast.
Trimmer is used in electronics to set one position of resistance and not for constant moving.
I had Logitech joystick and I cleaned those trimmers but graphite layer is too thin and will wear out quickly and then you will get spikes.

They are built with purpose that way because price difference between trimmer and potentiometer are negligable if you consider amount that Logitech is buying from suppliers.

Joystick is good and without flaws in design.

[engadin]

Regarding Paccus and their hydraulic FFB joystick Hawk, they have recently started production:

http://www.paccus.com/parts-arrived

Perhaps in the coming weeks we'll finally be able to put our eyes on the long awaited tests from simming and hardware sites. Anxiously waiting for them.

AA_Engadin.

[AbortedMan]

A lot of the "stirring a bucket if rocks" feel and the spiking had been fixed with the 1.42 firmware update. It also tightens up the deadness feel in the center of the stick. Those of you having those issues I highly recommend updating.