The future of IL2CoD/BoM..

[Slipstream2012]

Originally Posted by adonys

what baffles me, and should actually baffle you all, though I never saw anyone opening this topic, is why can't we get future updates on the IL2CoD engine IF the same engine is used into IL2BoM?

as they are developing the engine further on, it would have been simple to release patches for IL2CoD just upgrading the engine (RadioComms, AI, Weather, dots/LODs/visibility, etc)..

why they won't do such a thing?

I can only see two answers, and frankly both of them are deeply upsetting: they either won't use the same engine, or they just don't want to give those patches, as an enforcement to buy BoM. which all of us would have bought anyway..

So if you were gonna by BoM anyway, why the post?

They are running a business, and its the same as its always been, they release a game, patch it (though admittedly its usually more than a few patches), then release a sequel which moves the game on, but also updates the original content. Then it will be patched and the cycle begins again.

They are expecting their long term customers to by BoM & they are depending on it, because if they don't there wont be anymore IL2.

I don't see why them using a different game engine upsets you, the current engine has a ton of problems, one of which is that you can't get a plane to work by the book at higher altitudes, if it can even get there, which many can't, and there are many more.

I think that BoM will give everyone a nice surprise & will be everything that CoD should of been. Here's hoping!

[adonys]

maybe you need to re-read the initial post..

I was talking about engine updates only, if the same engine is used in BoM, why restrain engine only code updates from customers of CoD?!! there's no point in that: no, it wouldn't cost more (you'll just have to dump the latest stable development releases ad throw them online), you'll get a free betatesters base, you'll continue support and improvements for the porked CoD, you gain the goodwill of community by providing them newer improved versions until BoM will be out (which is the most important think actually), etc etc..

I also can not think they're so stupid to think that this is the only way to force current CoD customers to actually bug BoM, as most of us would buy BoM nevertheless.

So, the only fitting answer would be that the BoM has a different code, which was branched from CoD at least some while ago.. if not entirely new one..

[BigC208]

Originally Posted by adonys

maybe you need to re-read the initial post..

I was talking about engine updates only, if the same engine is used in BoM, why restrain engine only code updates from customers of CoD?!! there's no point in that: no, it wouldn't cost more (you'll just have to dump the latest stable development releases ad throw them online), you'll get a free betatesters base, you'll continue support and improvements for the porked CoD, you gain the goodwill of community by providing them newer improved versions until BoM will be out (which is the most important think actually), etc etc..

I also can not think they're so stupid to think that this is the only way to force current CoD customers to actually bug BoM, as most of us would buy BoM nevertheless.

So, the only fitting answer would be that the BoM has a different code, which was branched from CoD at least some while ago.. if not entirely new one..

I posted the following a few weeks ago and got a lot the same replies you got, no time no people, no money.

I know they're done with updates for CloD. What I do hope though is this. When they get close to release date, use CloD as beta test material,(minus BoM specific content).There are allready so many CloD users out there. This way they don't have to invent the wheel twice. We get free updates, they get free feedback and CloD stays on everyone's radar screen. Becoming more relevant with each update. Make it non steam downloadable content so we have a choice. If CloD's remaining problems get adressed over time, before BoM release, there will be coninued interest and increased sales of CloD. This will result in a bigger group of potential BoM buyers when it's ready.

with some coders making stuff that was never in game pop up on your screen.

who knows what else there doing to your game i think atag has gone to far with this server end modding and scripting.

its getting way out of hand this will be the doom of clod scripting like this.

the ATAG adon .dll has this kind of permission

BAD VERRRRY BAD

[ATAG_Keller]

Originally Posted by Pegasus_Eagle

with some coders making stuff that was never in game pop up on your screen.

who knows what else there doing to your game i think atag has gone to far with this server end modding and scripting.

its getting way out of hand this will be the doom of clod scripting like this.

the ATAG adon .dll has this kind of permission

BAD VERRRRY BAD

If you don't appreciate the hard work that went into providing us with a detailed damage report then you could always just not fly on the ATAG server.

[ATAG_Doc]

Sniper is back to his old self again.

[ATAG_Colander]

That screenshot shows nothing more than the permissions of a file in your computer.
A) The permissions the file has only indicate what YOU as a user can do on the file. In no way it indicates what the file can do to you.
B) Every file in that folder has the same permissions, unless manually changed by you, the user.

I can assure everyone that ATAG does not install viruses, steal any information or cause any wrong to any of the pilots that join our server. We gain nothing by doing so, and we will not even think of doing such a thing, not even to people that looks for any excuse to attack us.

Sincerely,
ATAG_Colander.

End of statement as ATAG.

Begin of statement as Colander.

To Pegasus_Eagle/Sniper,

Why would someone that dislikes and attacks ATAG so much joined the ATAG server to play?
What will be the next thread about? That the ATAG Teamspeak server is recording what you say to use it against you? That there are too many players from X country and that's bad for the community so ATAG should ban them all?
Can't wait for the next excuse for a sad attempt to make ATAG look bad, sincerely, I find it more amusing than annoying

[CaptainDoggles]

... what is this custom dll and where can I get it?

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Colander

That screenshot shows nothing more than the permissions of a file in your computer.
A) The permissions the file has only indicate what YOU as a user can do on the file. In no way it indicates what the file can do to you.
B) Every file in that folder has the same permissions, unless manually changed by you, the user.

I can assure everyone that ATAG does not install viruses, steal any information or cause any wrong to any of the pilots that join our server. We gain nothing by doing so, and we will not even think of doing such a thing, not even to people that looks for any excuse to attack us.

Sincerely,
ATAG_Colander.

End of statement as ATAG.

Begin of statement as Colander.

To Pegasus_Eagle/Sniper,

Why would someone that dislikes and attacks ATAG so much joined the ATAG server to play?
What will be the next thread about? That the ATAG Teamspeak server is recording what you say to use it against you? That there are too many players from X country and that's bad for the community so ATAG should ban them all?
Can't wait for the next excuse for a sad attempt to make ATAG look bad, sincerely, I find it more amusing than annoying

He wont get it.

[Slipstream2012]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Colander

Can't wait for the next excuse for a sad attempt to make ATAG look bad, sincerely, I find it more amusing than annoying

No-one can make ATAG look bad, everyone knows about the support ATAG has given to this community. If they create something, like the Level Bombing Companion, or video tutorials, they are not just restricted to the ATAG members or people registered to the forums. They are posted here so that the whole community can benefit.

The servers have had thousands of hours of work put into them to make them run as smooth as possible, all for the enjoyment & support of the community.
If anyone needs help with Clod there are always ATAG members and regulars willing to take time to help out, for instance I've seen ATAG members flying a bomber and instructing someone on how to use the sight.

The community ranges from many squadrons, lonewolfs, people with connections to the devs, and probably devs themselves at some point.

With a huge reputation like that on our shoulders, we are not going to be interfering with peoples computers, and even if we didn't have a reputation, the members and the regular community are top class people who enjoy nothing more than helping people get the the most out of IL2 Cliffs Of Dover and providing them with some interesting tools to enhance their experience.

Unlike some sad forum troll who has never done anything for the community & has nothing else to do with their life except post a capture of a permissions dialog box that anyone can find by right-clicking any .exe file.

You really do need to get a life Pegasus_Eagle

ATAG_Slipstream