why so much aptitudes for a racing game and so litle for other racing games

[hegykc]

As i recall, when I got my G25 i tried every pc simulation out there. And LFS and especially Rfactor were the best and hardest to master.
I raced RACE 07 because I like american muscle, but it was next to impossible to spin a car in a band, no matter how much throttle you apply so I said it can't possibly be that easy.

Neither of us ever raced a real race car, but if it seems to easy, I say it probably is.

Get Rfactor and seat behind a wheel of a Ford GT40, or the Shelby Cobra, and try a hot lap...

[raaaid]

Originally Posted by hegykc

As i recall, when I got my G25 i tried every pc simulation out there. And LFS and especially Rfactor were the best and hardest to master.
I raced RACE 07 because I like american muscle, but it was next to impossible to spin a car in a band, no matter how much throttle you apply so I said it can't possibly be that easy.

thats because default setup is understeery but you can change this

i hate understeer so much, as a matter of fact when i was 21 thousands of a second from wr i was dreaming certain forum member was manipulating my car to make it understeery

so a litle secret of mine is slightly oversteery set up in all corner phases

my english is not very good though i have a degree in english filology but actually i just took 3 course of english most was feminist english literature

i meant tnb duel

edit:

i have no experience racing a car but i have street racing a bike whan i was younger and crazier, when raining i would drift my 500cc ktm on the road

lfs is not realistic but race series are

again in real life theres this sweet point as in seen in the video that could be defined as half grip half slide when the bike begings to vibrate and very slightly slide, lfs doesnt reflect this race series does

[lokitexas]

Simbin has better physics than LFS, end of story. Both are good though.

Also sick of hearing "if its harder, its more of a sim." Thats just not true. iRacing is also fun, and the physics have come a long way since it began.

And this crap about real drivers playing the game...its called marketing. It obviously works on people...because you hear that argument all the time. Do you also believe Aaron Rogers loves State Farm Insurance? Micheal Phelps eating Subway helps him win his races?

True, some drivers will play certain games to get familiar with a track, but its not like since they played _____ game they won a race. Sitting in a PC chair does not come close to sitting in a car.

[hegykc]

Which simbin game are we talking about here, I'll give it a try?

Real drivers are not playing a game. Rfactor came out of a professional racing simulator that real teams use to test different setups so yes, they do actually "play the game".

Just like the DCS A-10 "game" came out of a proffesional A-10 simulator.

And "if it's harder than it's more of a sim" is always, always correct.
Just compare Il-2 to COD, FC3 A-10 to DCS A-10, and any racing flying game to a simulator. If it's harder it really is more of a sim, period.

[Art-J]

Originally Posted by hegykc

And "if it's harder than it's more of a sim" is always, always correct.
Just compare Il-2 to COD, FC3 A-10 to DCS A-10, and any racing flying game to a simulator. If it's harder it really is more of a sim, period.

Careful there, son. Depends on how you define "harder". Speaking of racing sims, GPL for example was hard to drive in low speed corners, harder then real racing cars even on bias-ply tyres, because of serious imperfections of early version of digital Pacejka tyre model. You had to apply unrealistic driving techniques to get really fast, things you wouldn't have to do in a real car. After many years, modders managed to fix this problem to some extent, but it was a classic example of "harder" being less of a sim really.

I agree on flight sims mentioned above though.

[hegykc]

Of course, read it with some common sense.Broken features don't count as being hard.

Anyway, as I said, never driven a real race car, but seemed to me that Rfactor had a bunch more of features and setup options so it seemed to me as more of a sim, although be it has similar or same engine as Race 07.

But as I read across the net, Rfactor and Iracing seems to be what hardcore simmers talk about as being the best.

I haven't raced in a year or two, but does RACE 07 have options for setting up the car? Camber, caster, toe in, tyre pressure, weight distribution, ride height, spring rate, bump damping, brake bias, differential lock.. all that?

Will have to try it again, but I would say: RACE07=Il2-146 and rFactor=COD or even DCS

[raaaid]

Originally Posted by hegykc

I haven't raced in a year or two, but does RACE 07 have options for setting up the car? Camber, caster, toe in, tyre pressure, weight distribution, ride height, spring rate, bump damping, brake bias, differential lock.. all that?

Will have to try it again, but I would say: RACE07=Il2-146 and rFactor=COD or even DCS

yes it does you can even download other people setups from the own game

tweaking the setups have limitations like a minimum force in suspensions so you dont mess bad the setup, this is good cause you dont mess but bad cause sometimes you havent reached the limit

i tried rfactor demo and seems like race series but without the ghostcar world competition which i love so much and not so many players online

[raaaid]

Originally Posted by hegykc

it was next to impossible to spin a car in a band, no matter how much throttle you apply so I said it can't possibly be that easy.

this points me you dont know what oversteer and undeersteer is so i made this videos just for you

we are talking of the race series, the last one being race injection though i use mainly race07

UNDERSTEER(increasing front antiroll bar):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzh5d...ure=plpp_video

OVERSTEER(increasing back antiroll bar)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjgws...ure=plpp_video

NEUTRAL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSe1W...ure=plpp_video