Game Hurricane is 534 lbs overweight

[NZtyphoon]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

The Spitfire I carried a total of 51 kg armor. The said thicker (3.5mm)plating over the fuel top of the fuel tank was just 12.1 kg, the armored glass only 9 kg. Most of weight thus came from the numerous, bulky steel plates, most of which were however not terribly effective as they were rather thin.

109E armor weight was iirc 46 kg, that's essentially the weight of the large 8 mm thick armored bulkhead in the rear fuselage.

And where did a weight of 12.1 kg for the light alloy plating come from?

That the 8mm thick 109E "armour" weighed only 46 kg indicates that it was not armour plate, which would have weighed considerably more, but probably a toughened alloy of some kind, or a sandwich of armour and alloy. Then we have the usual assertion of how bad British methods were cf the uber German...

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by NZtyphoon

And where did a weight of 12.1 kg for the light alloy plating come from?

From a detailed report.

That the 8mm thick 109E "armour" weighed only 46 kg indicates that it was not armour plate, which would have weighed considerably more, but probably a toughened alloy of some kind, or a sandwich of armour and alloy.

You are simply wrong.

Then we have the usual assertion of how bad British methods were cf the uber German...

Well the British method was to put relatively low thickness armor plates in a lot of places, which were useful when you were shooted at with non-AP munition or by German bombers. Unfortunately the thickness used on British fighters (4.5 mm back plate, 6.2mm head plate) was only marginally effective when shot at by even 7.92mm AP munition.

[NZtyphoon]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

From a detailed report.



You are simply wrong.



Well the British method was to put relatively low thickness armor plates in a lot of places, which were useful when you were shooted at with non-AP munition or by German bombers. Unfortunately the thickness used on British fighters (4.5 mm back plate, 6.2mm head plate) was only marginally effective when shot at by even 7.92mm AP munition.

Which report?

Prove it - show us the evidence this was armour plate.

Prove it.

[Kurfürst]

For you?

[NZtyphoon]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

For you?

Clearly Kf has no evidence for his assertions, so they can be discounted, as per usual.

In the meantime the Hurricane is seriously overweight.

[JG52Uther]

So, some of you have decided to take a perfectly acceptable thread, about a possible bug in the game, and turn it in to the usual back and forth point scoring arguments.
On that note, if its a bug, put it in the the bug thread.

[Hood]

Messerschmitt - Aircraft & Legend - Nowarra

E1 - 2010kg empty, 2505kg All-up weight

E3 - 2060kg empty, 2610 All-up weight


Nothing to do with the Hurri weight though.

Hood

[JG52Uther]

So this is a bug yes? Has it been reported in the relevent thread?

[*Buzzsaw*]

Originally Posted by Hood

Messerschmitt - Aircraft & Legend - Nowarra

E1 - 2010kg empty, 2505kg All-up weight

E3 - 2060kg empty, 2610 All-up weight


Nothing to do with the Hurri weight though.

Hood

Nowarra's information is considered to be quite inaccurate and dated.

We should try to rely on original German or British documents or secondarily, original documents on captured aircraft.

[klem]

Originally Posted by NZtyphoon

And where did a weight of 12.1 kg for the light alloy plating come from?

That the 8mm thick 109E "armour" weighed only 46 kg indicates that it was not armour plate, which would have weighed considerably more, but probably a toughened alloy of some kind, or a sandwich of armour and alloy. Then we have the usual assertion of how bad British methods were cf the uber German...

Hmmmm well at the risk of 'switching sides':

8 mm x 0.75m x 1m Carbon Steel weighs 46KG
http://www.ralingroup.co.uk/weights.html
Does that help?

If steel plate behind the Hurricane pilot was said to be 1/4 inch thick. At 2.5 ft x 3 ft thats 75.6lbs and it was said to weigh 73lbs.