bullet types effects changed-strange results!

[notafinger!]

Hi David,

Interesting results. I have noticed in this latest RC patch that 109 fuel tanks no longer explode but will burn with the pilot dying soon after. I think it is quite safe to say the the 109 in CloD has no pilot/fuel tank armor.

Also, Spitfires don't burn...ever. Sure sometimes you can set a fabric covered control surface on fire but it won't have any lasting effect, even on maneuverability. If you really lay into a Spitfire sometimes maybe you see some little bit of fire coming out the engine exhausts. But never once in all of the Spitfires I have shot down on ATAG, SOW, Repka, or offline shooting brainless AI flying straight and level have I seen a Spitfire have a fuel tank fire like all of the other a/c in CloD suffer from. 100's of engines knocked out and pilots killed by mg and cannon rounds and not one fuel tank fire. I know the Spitfire was a great a/c but it did not exactly have a reputation for ruggedness/durability. I can't think of any liquid cooled fighter that did.

[David198502]

http://www.zg26.de/index.php?option=...kel&Itemid=114

according to this article, the B-Beobachtung should be very effective, in regards of explosvie and ignition effects.so the former effects seemed to be pretty accurate...

[Catseye]

Yes David,
There is something changed.

I have tested all loadouts on bombers and find that there is only damage to the elevators and rudder - never to the wings skin or fuselage.

Also, it doesn't seem to matter which loadout us used the results are the same.

109's smoke and burn with flames all along the wings but fuel tanks do not explode.

110's are almost impossible to shoot down regardless of the number of hits.

Something had changed.

Perhaps you had better post your findings in the bugs thread.

[JG52Uther]

Yes, put it in the bugs thread please.
Now I need to change my ammo belts, as it might explain why a Spit was ignoring me online yesterday...

[Hellbender]

Yesterday, my Spitfire Ia_oct started burning after having been hit by a 109 with cannon and MG rounds. There was definite fire just behind the cockpit and a long trail of smoke behind my plane near Falkstone. However, I can´t tell whether it were the MG or the Cannon rounds making me burning like a candle. Took a pretty heavy burst into my fuselage, so I had to jump from the flamming wreckage.

[SlipBall]

I think luthier said that they reworked the various planes skins/A plates. I notice a difference but not a show stopper. I don't use incendiaries so cannot make a judgment on them.

[David198502]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Yes, put it in the bugs thread please.
Now I need to change my ammo belts, as it might explain why a Spit was ignoring me online yesterday...

its already in the bug thread!
i have linked a comment in the bug thread with this thread...

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by David198502

its already in the bug thread!
i have linked a comment in the bug thread with this thread...

David, I really hate to disagree with you, but I just tested the b-Beobachtung round. Using just the b-Beobachtung load, and limited to very short burst. The Rotol, Spit 1, Spit 1a all three pilots bailed out all most instantly. Maybe your issue is an on-line problem that the devs could look at. I think you should test the round as I did in off-line mode, just so that you can confirm my findings.

[David198502]

hey slipball!
no no no...no problem and good that you tested it yourself!
but,...before i posted this, i tested it offline to make sure its not only in online mode...and theres another strange thing,...offline the damage model seems to be indeed different to the online one(but that could be because of AI flying differently)

but, i shot at spits with only B-Beobachtung, and the spit didnt show no damage whatsoever, except, that the tailwheel catched fire...so the stupid AI bailed as well pretty quickly!BUT: the game didnt recognize the burning tailwheel as any damage, and when the spit went into the channel, the game message only showed that it crashed...(note: that was after i had shot a continous burst of about ~10seconds bullseye)

and this seems in fact the only visual damage the b-beobachtung is now capable off...no real damage whatsoever.you wont see any other damage.
plz try again,...im pretty confident that you come to the same conclusion!

PS: did you make sure, that you really have only B-Beobachtung in your belts??did you make your own mission for it, to garantuee not to have a wrong loadout?

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by notafinger!

Also, Spitfires don't burn...ever.

Yes, they do. And so do the Hurris. But I'm not sure what ammo type is required to achieve it....
BUT, I'll give you that it doesn't happen often.

I have had at least two burn ups in the past few days. One in spit, and the other in a hurri.
The spit one was about three days ago. Engine fire and had flames over the cowling in front of me.

Then again this morning. Vit_Unit in a 109 hit me in a hurricane low over Dunkirk, about two hours ago. My engine caught fire and I was trailing black smoke when I bailed.