The most effective rudder ever

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

If you are bellow stall speed, you fall. That's pretty simple. Only your thrust vector can compensate for it. With the nose on the horizon, the plane should be in a vertical descent no matter what rotational speed he have.

No. A plane hovering hanging from its propeller is not stalling, and the airspeed is gonna be 0.
What do you mean with the nose on the horizon and vertical descent?

On some occasion on the CoD vid posted here, the plane seems to float in that situation. It shld not happens (check the real vid - see the attitude of the Su26 when the pilot use the "hoovering" effect).

the "floating" could be achievable in a controlled spin with a Su-26 and similar aerobatic planes.

Regarding the P51 hanging bellow his prop, beware of visual distortion. When you are far bellow an object climbing vertically, it's easy to think it does not move.

The T/W ratio of a Lightened P51 is around 0.3. No way it can hoover under it's own prop. The fall down bckwrd is only slowed down, what give you in certain view point the feel that it "float".

no idea what you're on about here mate.

[LoBiSoMeM]

And here we go... the Su-26 FM is porked...

This "community" sometimes is boring... any Su-26 REAL PILOT here? All people here are real pilots or PhD in physics...

I never flew a Su-26, don't know how the physics are modeled in CloD, but after looking at the videos of REAL Su-26, i liked the CloD Su-26 FM.

But all the "experts" can please elaborate more...

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

And here we go... the Su-26 FM is porked...

This "community" sometimes is boring... any Su-26 REAL PILOT here? All people here are real pilots or PhD in physics...

I never flew a Su-26, don't know how the physics are modeled in CloD, but after looking at the videos of REAL Su-26, i liked the CloD Su-26 FM.

But all the "experts" can please elaborate more...

this is an ongoing problem mate, we indeed have real pilots in this community (me and Bongodriver to mention a couple, but there's more), and some of us have also experience on vintage and aerobatic aeroplanes, yet it doesn't seem to be good enough, because there are a lot of armchair experts that know it better, having built their knowledge not on flying hours and syllabus like us, but on Top Gun, pilot biographies and their idea of how a plane should fly.

One tries to explain things to people, but some comments in this thread and others really show that people's unhappiness with the way this sim flies is because of their self righteousness (and their complete lack of understanding of how a propeller aeroplane flies).
I hate how this sim has been damaged, but if there's one thing I will vouch for it's definitely the FM. Not perfect mind you, but showing the potential and a seldom seen attention to details.

[PE_Tigar]

+1 w. Sternjaeger - CPL/A here, no experience in aerobatic planes, but to me the FM in CloD feels much, much better than in Il-2 1946. There are and will be some oddities especially with UFOs like Su-26, but I don't feel that solving those should be a priority.

[SQB]

Originally Posted by PE_Tigar

+1 w. Sternjaeger - CPL/A here, no experience in aerobatic planes, but to me the FM in CloD feels much, much better than in Il-2 1946. There are and will be some oddities especially with UFOs like Su-26, but I don't feel that solving those should be a priority.

Pilot here too, with aerobatic practice in the... wait for it... C152A (). But yeah, I agree, the model feels very nice, with only a couple of, uh, let's say interesting behaviours. Liking it so far.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by SQB

Pilot here too, with aerobatic practice in the... wait for it... C152A ().

you're braver than me mate

[TX-EcoDragon]

I'd LOVE to see for myself how the SU-26 compares to its real world counterparts but I can't get the update to work without launcher crashes 100% of the time.

Also a problem is that all of my sim hardware was stolen and so I don't yet have a proper controller setup, though I do have my R/C sim transmitter and could give that a shot if I could only launch the sim.

Obviously some of the things we see in videos are totally absurd, but that's always been true in sims where the physics are clearly simplified - and to model an airplane that lives outside the normal envelope is really asking a lot of a bit of software. So while that 0 ground roll takeoff, and some of these other silly things are clearly not realistic aspects of the FM, if the Clod Su-26 rewards realistic pilot inputs with realistic responses in flight, then I for one can overlook some funky things here and there.

At this point it doesn't look real great, but thus far no aerobatic pilots have flown the thing as best as I can tell....I've been waiting for this thing for a LONG time, and would love to try it - if only the dang thing would launch!