the air forces know the secret for uber piloting the sports world doesnt

[raaaid]

i said since the begining i race with a small run and some force damping

you want proof my 40º lock on steering the wheel for 33º in the front wheel is efective?

here:

[hegykc]

No.

The thread title is " the air forces know the secret for uber piloting the sports world doesnt", so the main matter is obviously aviation.

[raaaid]

nope the subject is the secret for uber piloting and thats a short run

so short in some cases as the f16 6 mm run

check out the original post:

i have several world record racing online and i feel like i cheated because i do something that i dont know nobody else does it

most people use in their joystick wheel 400º of lock, i use 40º

i texted extensively and in any racing game theres at least two seconds difference between both set ups i get

think about it wwi fighters sticks had a run like 50 cm modern fighter joystick run is like 5 cm

what i dont understand is why real racers dont use high sensitivity

[hegykc]

Originally Posted by raaaid

nope the subject is the secret for uber piloting and thats a short run

OK, so we agree. Aviation is the subject here, we'll get to cars later.
Let's first test your claim about military aviation.

Setup your joystick to 6mm of travel, via the calibration curves, and the rest of us setup a regular travel joystick and we'll see who can fly the plane better in all conditions, dogfight, takeoff/landing, formation flying...
We can even use a real hardcore simulator, like the DCS: P-51D mustang, since you're talking about real life scenarios here.

[raaaid]

ive already done it with my g25 wheel and set several world records, you need force damping for that short run and only my wheel has force feeback not my joystick

[hegykc]

Yes, and I'll take your word for it, but let's leave cars and steering wheels for now.

So, you're now saying that you need both short run AND force feedback?
So if you had like, a logitech G940 or an MFFSB than you could do it?

[raaaid]

Originally Posted by hegykc

Yes, and I'll take your word for it, but let's leave cars and steering wheels for now.

So, you're now saying that you need both short run AND force feedback?
So if you had like, a logitech G940 or an MFFSB than you could do it?

exactly concretely not force feedback but centering force damping, besides contrary to wheels, joysticks have a quite short run already

yeah winny i agree with you i think the reason real racers dont use still a shorter run is safety reasons well spotted

i think the pilots who use the shorter run are rally ones

[winny]

Originally Posted by raaaid

what i dont understand is why real racers dont use high sensitivity

They do!
All racing cars have more sensitive (or a lower steering ratio) than 'normal' road cars...

However the real racers have to deal with G-force, uneven roads, fatigue and, most importantly the possiblity of a very quick death should they mess it up..

There has to be a balance between sensitivity and safety. This is the point that your missing. You're not going to die because your PC racing wheel is too sensitive when the guy in front of you spins out and you react and crash.
Understeer and oversteer would be a nightmare to control, and god help you if you get a blow out on one of the front wheels at 200mph..

In an F-16 if you try and do something that would get you dead then the computer will just stop it happening. That's the pay off for such a highly sensitive stick.. you're not really in control, the plane is.

Fighter pilots have to deal with the same forces a racing driver does,and then some. Do you think it would be easy to make very small movements of your arm whilst being bounced around all over the sky in a purley mechanical WWII fighter with a tiny stick travel?

You're simply ignoring the saftey factor in this because you're basing you point on computer games, sitting at a desk.

[zander]

Originally Posted by raaaid

what i dont understand is why real racers dont use high sensitivity

Do you have a driver's license?

[JG52Krupi]

When will you guys realise he is a troll!!!

There just cannot be someone that is REALLY this DIM out there...