the air forces know the secret for uber piloting the sports world doesnt

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by raaaid

yes its the same than this


actually this is how an f16 joystick works:


http://www.realsimulator.com/html/fssb.html

From the website link YOU POSTED...

During the last development phases we found that there was a big difference between the required pressure to fly with comfort and the high pressure that is required if you want to simulate the real thing.

It clearly states the BIG difference between the game stick AND THE REAL THING.

Here it is again...

and the high pressure that is required if you want to simulate the real thing

100% proof that your graph is NOT an F-16 stick. It is the COUGAR MOD.

--Outlaw.

[raaaid]

well i understand you do this for fun, thats why i do it but your insults show where you get fun from

are you really an engineer or a lawyer?

one thing is a micrometric dead zone and a different what wjord monkey said whom you believe the WHOLE RUN AS DEATH ZONE



now you dont even understand english like when you say katy pery said thank you


The joystick barely moves replicating the displacement values of the real F-16 side stick controller. Similarly, the forces for maximum displacement are replicated although these can be reduced to suit personal preferences.

http://www.realsimulator.com/html/fssb.html

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by raaaid

The joystick barely moves replicating the displacement values of the real F-16 side stick controller. Similarly, the forces for maximum displacement are replicated although these can be reduced to suit personal preferences.

http://www.realsimulator.com/html/fssb.html

4000 grams = 8.8 lbs.

The highest setting on the Cougar Mod is the, "17 to 25 pound". IF you make the assumption that this truly replicates an F-16 stick, your graph maxed at 4000 grams DOES NOT SHOW AN F-16 STICK.

There is no arguing that. So, your graph IS JUNK in the context of an F-16 stick.

Of course, none of that is relevant BECAUSE AS I SAID BEFORE, THE END OF TRAVEL DOES NOT MEAN THE END OF INPUT.

Of course, you don't understand that so it does not make any difference. Just for the record, I'm pretty sure that at least some of the bacteria in my lower intestines understand it by now.

Also, just for the record, I own a REPLICA of a 1965 Shelby Daytona. If I ever finish it mine will outperform the original by a significant margin. REPLICA (and replicate), DOES NOT MEAN EQUAL.

--Outlaw.

[raaaid]

so do you agree with fjord monkey statement?:

the whole 6 mm run of an f16 sidestick is dead zone

[raaaid]

how do you explain that gogling side stick for an f16 and dead zone it only links here

https://www.google.es/#hl=en&sclient...pw.r_qf.&cad=b

[Hood]

Originally Posted by raaaid

how do you explain that gogling side stick for an f16 and dead zone it only links here

https://www.google.es/#hl=en&sclient...pw.r_qf.&cad=b

Because that's how Google's search engine works. Just because you can't find something at the first go doesn't mean it doesn't exist or that your intuition was right - it was wrong. Go and read some threads here - a great site that I used to visit a lot when playing Falcon 4:

http://www.f-16.net/

Hood

[raaaid]

the thing is that that f16 test pilot account using the word dead band for run confused the comunity

till now many people in the comunity believes the f16 stick is 6mm lose

the f16 stick works as that pressure joystick i linked to

it says it REPLICATES an f16 sidestick

do you know what replicate means

for example do you know what a spit replica difference is with a real spit?

just the plate number

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by raaaid

the thing is that that f16 test pilot account using the word dead band for run confused the comunity

till now many people in the comunity believes the f16 stick is 6mm lose

There is DEFINITELY a dead zone in the stick. Otherwise BREATHING on the stick would cause the control surfaces to move. And I mean that LITERALLY. A strain gauge at one end of a 24" long piece of 1/16" tk steel flat bar WILL measure the deflection CAUSED BY THE CHANGE IN TEMPERATURE DUE TO BREATHING ON THE OTHER END FOR LESS THAN A SECOND. I know b/c I've done it before. Now, as any idiot knows the F-16 stick will have 2 strain gauges to dampen temperature effects and the stick is insulated from most airflow but A DEAD ZONE IS REQUIRED on a force stick due to the extreme sensitivity of the devices.

Whether or not that dead zone is 3mm (fore/aft or port/starboard) of motion (or compensated for in the software) is irrelevant.

The point is that, in the F16, the 3mm of movement in a single direction DOES NOT MOVE THE CONTROL SURFACES TO 100% DEFLECTION. Nor is it the limit of measuring the force. So, after the 3mm has been reached, you are NOT EVEN CLOSE TO 100% INPUT. Now it may be that some amount of control input registers before the stick has stopped moving, but it is nowhere near the limit.

Additionally, as others have pointed out, the F-16 stick IS NOT EVEN CONNECTED TO THE CONTROL SURFACES. It's connected to the flight control computer only and the computer decides if the control surfaces should move or not (and how fast).

Furthermore, the gain (sensitivity) of the control inputs can be adjusted in flight. For example, when performing in-flight refueling the gain is set very low to smooth out the flying.


--Outlaw.

[Hood]

Originally Posted by raaaid

yes thats my whole point a high sensitivity is an advantage to go to the limit(because it takes shorter to move the hand a litle than alot)

thats it why he hardly moves the stick cause it has high sensitivity

dont you agree that f16 stick has a high sensitivity, quite more than wwii sticks?

The stick has no sensitivity other than the sensitivity to the force being applied by the pilot. He hardly moves it because he cannot, apart from a tiny amount of "deadzone" built in to give tactile feedback.

Will you understand this? Maybe, but I doubt it. And why do you think it is more sensitive than WW2 sticks? Different aircraft, control services and the F16 is inherently unstable so you cannot compare them.

Maybe the aliens got inside your head when you were asleep.

Hood

[raaaid]

well what i said in my original thread is that i see a short run as an advantage for competing though at 1st look might not look so

the f16 and all planes with side short stick prove it not to mention my personal expereince tweaking my g25 wheel