the air forces know the secret for uber piloting the sports world doesnt

[raaaid]

Originally Posted by winny

Raaaaaaid..

Look at this video, it's a real F-16 - you can clearly see the red button on top of the flight stick (most of the time). It hardly moves, even when the pilot is throwing it around all over the show.

yes thats my whole point a high sensitivity is an advantage to go to the limit(because it takes shorter to move the hand a litle than alot)

thats it why he hardly moves the stick cause it has high sensitivity

well winny i take your advice for good and dont give a dumb about those haters

dont you agree that f16 stick has a high sensitivity, quite more than wwii sticks?


in fact ive tried myself a simillar setup to the f16 sidestick racing

i increased hugely the FORCE dumping of my g25 and have a lock of 5º

thats like moving the hands 0.5 cm from lock to lock

also i agree that a huge force resistance is another way to decrease sensitivity, its not only the run actually

edit:

and winny dont you think i am being reasonable calling bs a 0.6 cm dead zone in a control stick?

come on its common sense imagine driving like that

edit:

i have just tested the f16 sidestick concept with my g25 to race:

i decreased the lock to 4º thats like .7mm run on th hands

and i incresed centering force to the maximum(which is gradual the more you move the wheel the more it increases)

also added it a very slightly force feed back

i was going at times faster than the average guys in a circuit i had never driven

i feel like cheating now i have a modded g25 to act as an f16 sidestick

edit:

well after a clasification multiplayer in a circuit I HAD NEVER RACED BEFORED i ranked 14th of 24 with the f16 style wheel setup

this thread has been a great idea now i know even more about controls setups

[winny]

To be honest I'm still not sure what your point is.

Staying with racing cars, an F1 cars steering ratio is pretty much 1:1
So you move the steering wheel 1 degree and the wheels turn 1 degree. A road car will have something like 15:1 or 20:1, it's just practicality. You don't need to reverse park an F1 car..

So the sports world does understand sensitivity.

I don't see the connection between a steering wheel and a flight stick on an F-16, they're totally different things. Surley the aircraft equivilent of steering is the rudder not the stick? The sticks there to let the pilot tell the plane to either roll, roll faster or don't roll, that's why the 16's stick isn't bothered about sensitivity of stick movement and is more interested in the pressure applied.

[raaaid]

the thing i found out is that a short run on the controls allows you to countersteer faster both for a stall in a plane or a spin in a car

it also makes you more agresive

no point just sharing the knowledge

edit:

what i rediscovered today its that a big force resistance reduces sensitivity

so you have the advnatage of a short run being able to counters teer in an stall with enhanced reaction time with a normal sensitivity due to the copensantion by the force

arent internet bulletins great?

[raaaid]

yes its the same than this


actually this is how an f16 joystick works:


http://www.realsimulator.com/html/fssb.html



i dont know why i have to be attacked for not being so stupid to belive any stick is built with a huge dead zone in purpose

[hegykc]

The equivalent of what you're proposing, on an F-16 would be a stick with 10 times less force loading. So 2.5 pounds for full pitch up.

I'd like to see you fly that thing.

[raaaid]

During the last development phases we found that there was a big difference between the required pressure to fly with comfort and the high pressure that is required if you want to simulate the real thing.

[Hood]

Originally Posted by raaaid

i dont know why i have to be attacked for not being so stupid to belive any stick is built with a huge dead zone in purpose

You're not. You're being attacked because you spout BS and you're wrong but won't admit it on this and many other topics. Huge dead zone? 6mm movement total where none of the stick movement matters? You still haven't got it.

By the way, simulators and gaming joysticks aren't the real thing and won't wok in the same way. There is no way you will be taken seriously relying on simulator stuff versus the real thing. Lol.

Hood

[raaaid]

The joystick barely moves replicating the displacement values of the real F-16 side stick controller. Similarly, the forces for maximum displacement are replicated although these can be reduced to suit personal preferences.


grow up a pair now 99% of people know im right and fjord ape is a pretender nerd troll and you his buddy

oh and my intuition was right whats scarry

you see by calling me moron idiot pathetic just for being generous and telling a pilot skill which is true you stress me and make say deliring nonsenses

[Hood]

Originally Posted by raaaid

The joystick barely moves replicating the displacement values of the real F-16 side stick controller. Similarly, the forces for maximum displacement are replicated although these can be reduced to suit personal preferences.


grow up a pair now 99% of people know im right and fjord ape is a pretender nerd troll and you his buddy

oh and my intuition was right whats scarry

good luck with the future where people is half robot and eat treated feces i wont be there cause ill jump to blachole and travel to the past as a caveman eating good mamuth meat together with my love

The troll couldn't stay hidden could it? You'll fit in as a caveman.

[winny]

Originally Posted by raaaid

outs marted by the village fool

Genius.