Spit/109 sea level speed comparisons in 1.08 beta patch

[Crumpp]

Given what Rall said below, would you not say that the "embarassed" remark was fair comment?

No.

Here is handley page automatic slats in operation on my old airplane:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vbqgfjyW2Q

Unless they are new to you, the slats are nothing of note as far as piloting goes.

What do for the airplane is outstanding. You can pull some insane body angles with them.

Here is another video I made on the way to work. It was beautiful day to fly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdgohV4gpXE

[SlipBall]

Pilot notes to a whole new level

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

You went through all that trouble instead of just showing me a scan of a pilot's license? the aircraft in the first video is not pulling high G so no wonder the slats are quite gentle.

Since you asked, yes intro flights are probably much more expensive in the UK than in the US, if you want to fly with me in a Stearman it will cost about £360 per hour, I don't remember what we charge for the 152's or warriors but it's around £150 per hour.

Heres the vid of me and fruitbat in a Stearman taken from that GoPro camera on my head in my avatar pic, check 14:30 for the 'hello Crumpp' and 17:30 for some basic aero's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq4Ro...&feature=g-upl

Heres a vid of me flying the Learjet, 2008 fresh back from Dallas and doing my 6 cirquits to finish the type rating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud2Rb...&feature=g-upl

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

You went through all that trouble instead of just showing me a scan of a pilot's license? the aircraft in the first video is not pulling high G so no wonder the slats are quite gentle.

Since you asked, yes intro flights are probably much more expensive in the UK than in the US, if you want to fly with me in a Stearman it will cost about £360 per hour, I don't remember what we charge for the 152's or warriors but it's around £150 per hour.

Heres the vid of me and fruitbat in a Stearman taken from that GoPro camera on my head in my avatar pic, check 14:30 for the 'hello Crumpp' and 17:30 for some basic aero's.

Heres a vid of me flying the Learjet, 2008 fresh back from Dallas and doing my 6 cirquits to finish the type rating.

Very cool. Here's me and Riley squished in a Spit cockpit.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZUZrruIAB8&sns=em

[ATAG_Dutch]

Sigh........sayin' nuffin.

[Crumpp]

Crumpp, you need to take some drawings lessons

There is a reason why I am not a commercial artist, LOL.

Here is picture of my hanger, these are my planes....sole ownership....

Means you are alone on the bills too!



Both are fully aerobatic but the Thorp is not a good platform for it. It is too slick and you really have to pay attention to your speeds when you point the nose down.

The Thorp is a good cheap, fast, and fun to fly cross country machine. It has a Lycoming O-360 with a Hartzell CSP. It is IFR, four place, and a traveling machine.

The Extra 300 is my sky cutter. It has a Lycoming IO-540 with an MT propeller.

Back to the thread....

Looking at all the data and trying to pick averages staying away from either extreme using both Supermarines and Mtt data......

This is the relative turn performance of these two aircraft taking as much data from the Operating Notes and Flugzeug Handbuch.



Here is a Rate of Turn comparison. Rate of turn is the most important aspect of turn performance as it represents how fast the aircraft can swing its guns thru the compass to bear on a target.



Hope it helps!

[SlipBall]

Crumpp..Nice barn! but too small

[NZtyphoon]

There's some info on the 109 slats here http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/index1024.htm apparently the Fs still used the swing arm assembly of the E to actuate the slats, while the G series used a simplified roller track.

[Crumpp]

Just further weight to the fact handley page style slats open with force under load.

If you pull hard they will open with a loud bang but you don't even feel it on the stick.

You feel it most when you slowly change angle of attack.

[Crumpp]

Slipball says
Crumpp..Nice barn! but too small

LOL, Yes it is and now I need a bigger one!

NzTyphoon says:

they have everything to do with WW2 military aviation

I don't have everything to do with WWII Aviation Nztyphoon.

Never claimed too but I do sit on the Board of Directors for a warbird restoration company.

Try spending a month looking for a waffengeber for a month and see if you don't learn something.

JtD says:
both planes are turning too fast and I also think that the high speed relation is a bit off.

The airplanes are at sea level. Of course they are turning too fast....

Density effects will increase velocity, widen the radius, and increase the rate of turn. The engine power will also change with supercharger characteristics.

As for the high speed relation, anytime the aircraft has more excess thrust it will have a better turn rate as it can sustain more angle of bank at velocity.

The relationship is correct.