Spit/109 sea level speed comparisons in 1.08 beta patch

[JtD]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

How is your statement ANY different from mine????

You're saying the 109 is flying at the Spitfires best turn performance speed, I am saying the 109 is flying at its own best turn performance speed. Quite a difference.

[Crumpp]

You're saying the 109 is flying at the Spitfires best turn performance speed, I am saying the 109 is flying at its own best turn performance speed. Quite a difference.

No I am not. I am saying both aircraft are flying best turn performance.

Best turn performance is a specific speed.

In the single point analysis of best turn performance, the airplanes are at different speeds.

When we look at the entire envelope, the Spitfire must be at a slower speed in order to outturn the Bf-109.

[Igo kyu]

That graph must be rubbish.

I don't pretend to understand what it's supposed to mean, but the aircraft leave the graph in opposite directions. That just doesn't happen in graphs of real world effects.

[JtD]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

No I am not. I am saying both aircraft are flying best turn performance.

I can't really know what you were trying to say, or what you are going to say, but you were exactly saying what I stated:

the Bf-109E3 is hopelessly outclassed IF it tries to match the Spitfire at the Spitfires best performance velocity

I'm happy to see that you now are saying something much more meaningful.

[JtD]

The general error of the interpretation of a speed advantage is the assumption that the slower plane has to match the faster plane at all costs. That assumption is totally unrealistic.

The general trend is in fact that the faster plane has the biggest advantage while flying straight, true against both better climbers in a sustained climb or better turners in a sustained turn. Entering a climb or turn that will be matched by the opponent, will in return reduce the speed advantage. That's how it works in combat.

[pstyle]

Crumpp, can you advise the source of your graph data? Cheers.