The new Oleg Maddoxs

[GF_Mastiff]

Originally Posted by Jaws2002

They are so far off, it's not worth comparing them. Apples and oranges.
I have never seen such a long period of running around in circles, with little to nothing to show for, in the entire il2 history.

yes but you need to look at the releases from IL2 Sturmovik back in 2001 and how long that took to get better.

I think it took 6 years to get at the level of what it is today.

[Trumper]

Originally Posted by GF_Mastiff

yes but you need to look at the releases from IL2 Sturmovik back in 2001 and how long that took to get better.

I think it took 6 years to get at the level of what it is today.

But with all due respect the demo version was light years ahead of any of the other flight combat sims out there at the time so there was a huge noticeable difference.
Clod doesn't seem to have quite that gap above the others now and it's still not working enough.

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Originally Posted by Trumper

But with all due respect the demo version was light years ahead of any of the other flight combat sims out there at the time so there was a huge noticeable difference.
Clod doesn't seem to have quite that gap above the others now and it's still not working enough.

May I clarify that a light year is still a year?

[II/JG53_Volker]

I will add this from a longtime lurker. I have Been around since the Start had a couple of accounts over the years, set up a new one when I built this rig as I couldn't remember the login details

I think that CLOD will get better, but, I also think that it was in a very poor state when released. As Mastiff said, when IL2 was first released it took quite a while to get better, However I don't think it was anywhere near as bad as CLOD to start with

I will await the next patch and will buy the sequel as I think there is so much potential in this game/sim that is yet to be realized.

~S~

Well I think Luthier has already made a name for himself.

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Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Well I think Luthier has already made a name for himself.

Who of you that complain about Luthier can tell for sure that all this was his fault? If there is obvious evidence for it being his fault, I would like to know...

Originally Posted by Continu0

Who of you that complain about Luthier can tell for sure that all this was his fault? If there is obvious evidence for it being his fault, I would like to know...

Obviously Luthier didn't make the game himself so yeah in that respect its not his fault, but he sure as hell sold it to us.

[CWMV]

Oh thats sigworthy tree! Much lulz!

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Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Obviously Luthier didn't make the game himself so yeah in that respect its not his fault, but he sure as hell sold it to us.

Aehm... sorry. But if anyone on earth would sell something like CloD in its initial condition on purpose, he wouldn´t be in the position of a teamleader for so long. Not in russia, not in the rest of the world.

And if you have to admit it yourself that Luthier "didn´t make the game himself" why would you accuse him with anything?

I have to admit that I don´t know much about the develomenthistory, but to me it seems like Luthier was left behind with a big mess to clean up. And BoM will tell if he did a good job or not. I won´t judge Luthier for something he can not fully be held responsible for...

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Well I think Luthier has already made a name for himself.

Didn't you get booted for using one of those names?


While I don'y quite share the same optomism as you Mastiff, I do hope Luthier and crew can be as successful with CoD/BoM as IL2/FB/1946 was. I bought IL2 in Dec of 2002 and I had nary an issue with the fundamental playability of IL2. I can't say the same with CoD - no matter how much effort was poured into the creation. Oh yes, there are some fantastic inprovement and I know they are light years ahead of what IL2 offered, but there are to many issues marring the surface to really appreciate the good things of CoD.

I'll once again give the benefit of doubt to the development team. The publishers and financial backers seem confident enough in the project to continue it...... BUT I will look at the development updates with a more critical eye. Being from the west, I imagine the eastern market will receive first dibs on BoM and their opinions will weigh in my decision.

Yet, I'll still hope for the best - a sim on par AND even better than IL2. Time will tell.