No joke: 248mph Hurricane dh5-20, 230mph Spit... what on earth is going on??

[Momod]

Last month I flew the Hurricane DH5-20, This month I`ve been flying the Spit 100 octane but last night I tried the Spit 1 and it seemed very good climbing out and at 15000 plus but on one flight I tangled with a 109 at different altitudes and ended up low where the performance seemed poor compared to the spit 100 octane, This seems to be confirmed by the top speed tests I`ve done at the different altitudes, It almost feels like they have recreated the High fighter/Low fighter configuration of IL2 1946
~S~ 56RAF_Rumba

[trademe900]

Yes, that is also what I discovered, Spit 1 can actually stand half a chance at high altitudes on ATAG. The spit 1 is no joke, can get to 20,000 feet in 10 minutes standing it on it's tail.

I also get your same figures at low altitude, but I couldn't get 290mph in the Spitfire 1a octane.

Game is whacked.

Conclusion: If you are on Repka or flying low on ATAG pick Spit 2a. If you are doing high altitude flying and climbing, pick Spit 1.

[Momod]

For testing I set up a mission in full mission builder, for 1000ft it was set up to spawn at 1500ft and 490kmh as soon as it spawned engage autopilot, wait till it settles down and gets up to max speed then disengage autopilot, still flying level adjust radiator and revs then shallow dive to 1000ft hold it level for 20 seconds while any speed from diving has bled away then press pause and take a reading of the speed.
~S~ 56RAF_Rumba

[trademe900]

Originally Posted by Momod

For testing I set up a mission in full mission builder, for 1000ft it was set up to spawn at 1500ft and 490kmh as soon as it spawned engage autopilot, wait till it settles down and gets up to max speed then disengage autopilot, still flying level adjust radiator and revs then shallow dive to 1000ft hold it level for 20 seconds while any speed from diving has bled away then press pause and take a reading of the speed.
~S~ 56RAF_Rumba

There is one thing you are missing. You need much longer than 20 seconds for an accurate measurement. Put the game on 2x or 4x speed (trimmed properly of course), hold the altitude and then you can get a very accurate reading. 20 seconds is not long enough, it will hold speed from a slight dive for longer than you think, throwing measurements off.

Anyway... our figures are the same.

Oh another thing worth noting is that all the aircraft (including 109 a little but by far most notably RAF planes) perform way better with CEM off, completely differently actually. Much closer to real life performance.

Perhaps with the game in it's current porked state ATAG can try turn off CEM to give the reds a bit of a chance? Just a thought.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by trademe900

Oh another thing worth noting is that all the aircraft perform way better with CEM off, completely differently actually. Much closer to real life performance.

Snapper mate, do you have anything to add at this point?

Trademe, we've been working on this stuff for a few weeks now, and I agree completely.

Edit: but not necessarily with ATAG turning temps off.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

Snapper mate, do you have anything to add at this point?

Trademe, we've been working on this stuff for a few weeks now, and I agree completely.

Edit: but not necessarily with ATAG turning temps off.

IMHO Trademe hit the same conclusion independently as us re CEM off. Then you, Dutch, refined it down further to simply just turning Engine Temperature Management off (but leaving CEM on) here:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=162

Then began a lot of work over at ATAG, not without some heated debate, but everyone pitched in with a wide series of tests on both of our Servers. I note that some squad servers have arrived at similar conclusions of their own and are running with ETM off. Although LW fighters gain some performance as a result, the RAF fighters receive the greatest benefit by far. The top of the line fighters are, in engine performance, almost equal. The RAF fighters still experience neg g cutout, self-destruct above 420 mph IAS in a dive, but their top speed matches their LW counterparts at sea level. It is still possible to overheat in a RAF fighter, 109's can still boom & zoom, but if two opposing pilots of "equal ability" meet on a co-energy basis....it makes for a long and exciting encounter.

It should be noted, though, that the ATAG servers are all operating "Full Switch" as always, with Engine Temperature Effects turned on.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by trademe900

Oh another thing worth noting is that all the aircraft (including 109 a little but by far most notably RAF planes) perform way better with CEM off, completely differently actually. Much closer to real life performance.

Perhaps with the game in it's current porked state ATAG can try turn off CEM to give the reds a bit of a chance? Just a thought.

Trademe, have a look at this thread, from post #149 on.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...839#post455839

[trademe900]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

Trademe, have a look at this thread, from post #149 on.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...839#post455839

Awesome, you guys are way ahead of me.

I would love to play with just temperature management off but CEM on. For now it would bring this game back to life!!! Would be good times for sure. I for one can live with temperature off for the time being if it brings all flight models into spec.

It would actually be fun to fly 109 again.

[Catseye]

Originally Posted by trademe900

Awesome, you guys are way ahead of me.

I would love to play with just temperature management off but CEM on. For now it would bring this game back to life!!! Would be good times for sure. I for one can live with temperature off for the time being if it brings all flight models into spec.

It would actually be fun to fly 109 again.

Ahhhh, the fifth horseman of the apocalypse!!
My sentiments exactly!