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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 08-26-2012, 07:26 PM
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I understand...and if you fly at all, you have your own opinion I'm sure
Opinion being the key word!

Problem is most of the FM complaints are nothing more than opinions..

So not only would it be un-realistic to expect 1C to look into every FM complaint but it would be a waste of time IMHO.

Personally I think 1C (or B6) should put out a 'minimum information' requirement for 1C to even consider looking into a FM complaint.

Where the minimum information could/should consist of the 'method' that was used during the test and the real world data the user is using as their bases of comparison, just to name two!

Anything less than that would be a waste of 1C's time
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Old 08-26-2012, 08:34 PM
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The self-righteousness and condescendent tone some members use to refer to the developers is unbelievable. I find it more disrepectfull than a plain insult.

Anyone that has been in the IL2 world for a couple of years has stumble with kilometers of text on FM discussión and hundreds of references to data sources of varied quality. Let alone the developers of the game who make a living out of this. Of course they know where to find the data. Some ppl have rub it to their faces over and over.

I´ll give you a clue, FM will keep improving for years but will never be perfect. In IL2 1946 we have some great modders that have put great effort and knowdlege to get the more accurate FM according to the info they have, and even after all these years there is always someone that think that the result is wrong and comes out showing some other data he has found and it goes on and on, and after 10 years the discussion continues
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Old 08-26-2012, 08:58 PM
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The self-righteousness and condescendent tone some members use to refer to the developers is unbelievable. I find it more disrepectfull than a plain insult.
Agreed 100%

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Anyone that has been in the IL2 world for a couple of years has stumble with kilometers of text on FM discussión and hundreds of references to data sources of varied quality. Let alone the developers of the game who make a living out of this. Of course they know where to find the data. Some ppl have rub it to their faces over and over.
At least you have to give them credit for providing some data!!

Most of the FM complaints provide nothing at all and still they make their claims of how 'wrong' the FM is..

Which would be funny if it was not so sad!

I mean for all we know their claims of 'wrong' is based of the info from one of their boy-hood coloring books!

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I´ll give you a clue, FM will keep improving for years but will never be perfect.
Bingo!

I have had this saying for years now..

No FM ever WAS, IS, or WILL BE PERFECT!

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In IL2 1946 we have some great modders that have put great effort and knowdlege to get the more accurate FM according to the info they have, and even after all these years there is always someone that think that the result is wrong and comes out showing some other data he has found and it goes on and on, and after 10 years the discussion continues
Exactly!

We can always get closer, but it will never be perfect!

Hence the name 'simulation' in place of 'reality!
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