British FM killing the fun of the game for allied pilots.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by nynek

It is 9-12 PTS here. Put something on YT from tracks and I repent.

nynek

I don't care if you repent or not.

[nynek]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

I don't care if you repent or not.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by nynek

Actually, it's because of good input like yours that we're using Server#2 to try to improve the online missions. We offer a warm invitation to you and everyone else here to give it a try and let us know what you think -- good and bad. It's continually being tweaked, but we rarely have more than 10 or 12 players on at a time. The load time is a little longer -- about a quick trip to the fridge for a....soda pop. We need to see how it stacks up with more players before we move it over to Server#1.

[nynek]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

Actually, it's because of good input like yours that we're using Server#2 to try to improve the online missions. We offer a warm invitation to you and everyone else here to give it a try and let us know what you think -- good and bad. It's continually being tweaked, but we rarely have more than 10 or 12 players on at a time. The load time is a little longer -- about a quick trip to the fridge for a....soda pop. We need to see how it stacks up with more players before we move it over to Server#1.

cc

[ATAG_Dutch]

Well, I voted yes finally.

Bring back the old Spit II and Rotol Hurri FMs I say. I wonder how they'd compare to the current 109s? Be nice to find out.

[*Buzzsaw*]

Salute

Anyone who looks at the historical tests of the Spitfire and Hurricane can see the current game FM's are completely out of whack. The fact you can't run the aircraft at 2700 rpm and +6 boost for ANY length of time without destroying your engine is clearly wrong. The fact none of the British aircraft can reach their historical max. climb or speed is another clue.

And perhaps the 109's have some small details, but when compared to the British aircraft, they are far better off, in fact their ability to zoom climb with ZERO energy is highly suspect.

Currently even those with a mediocre level of skill can fly the 109's successfully, those who have 10+ years in gaming will find the British aircraft not much good for anything but shooting down bombers, any attempt to engage an aware 109, even with energy and speed advantages, will result almost immediate reversal of the attacker/defender positions and a desperate fight to survive on the part of the British aircraft.

This situation is far from being a realistic portrayal of the situation in the air in the Summer of 1940. If British aircraft performed this poorly, the RAF would have lost the BoB instead of shooting down far more German aircraft despite being completely outnumbered.

[trademe900]

The raf planes are good for nothing but shooting bombers at low altitude, and even then are pretty poor. The 109 climbing is just ridiculous and I think everyone agrees on the overheating merlin issue.

I would rather take a Blenheim into a dogfight than a hurricane in the game's current state.

[JG3_Hartmann]

Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw*

If British aircraft performed this poorly, the RAF would have lost the BoB instead of shooting down far more German aircraft despite being completely outnumbered.

Well, but you forget, that the main reason for the higher losses of the Luftwaffe are, that they had to fly over enemy territory, so no bailed out pilot would come home to fly again.
The 109 had a short range, and they used the wrong tactics (staying near the bombers and so on).
When the RAF began to use the Big Wing tactic, the fate changed even more for the RAF.
And because of their Radar, they knew where the enemie bombers would come from, and could guess where they would go to.

They didn´t win because their planes were highly superior, but because of better tactics, and more luck.

The Hurricane was, except for turning, outclassed by the 109 in everything, expect maybe for handling, and the Spitfire could turn better and was a bit faster below 4000m. But if they flew higher than 4000m the 109 was as fast as the Spit, even a bit faster.

But I have to say, even if I mostly fly the German planes (and just to make the list complete, the 110 is nearly 50km/h to slow too), that it´s not much fun to fight with a Hurricane or Spitfire against a well flown 109.
Not enough that I could bang my head against the canopy everytime I have to start the engine, which is every time a fight if it will keep running or not , but also during the normal flight and during a fight. I may have some problems with the red engines, but without doubt I can say, there´s something rotten in the case of red fighters.

But!, like others said before, the blue planes don´t meet their real performance too.

What I personally find very funny is, that over more than 10 years, it were mostly the blue planes who were undermodelled compared to the red (mostly Russian) planes (or maybe they were made better than they were), and now, we have a similar situation, although I think, it´s not so extreme like it was some years ago with old Il2.

[CaptainDoggles]

Oh good, Buzzsaw is here, which means it's bias time!

Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw*

Anyone who looks at the historical tests of the Spitfire and Hurricane can see the current game FM's are completely out of whack. The fact you can't run the aircraft at 2700 rpm and +6 boost for ANY length of time without destroying your engine is clearly wrong. The fact none of the British aircraft can reach their historical max. climb or speed is another clue.

I'm pretty sure everyone that matters acknowledges that all the FMs on both sides are wrong.

And perhaps the 109's have some small details, but when compared to the British aircraft, they are far better off,

Yes, we all know that they should ignore the flaws in the 109 because the RAF has it worse. They definitely shouldn't fix ALL the errors on BOTH sides. Let's minimize/ignore the 109's problems like being way too easy to get into a spit/accelerated stall and being 50 km/h too slow at altitude. Because those Blue guys are just Nazis. I won't even get into how bad the G-50 is.

in fact their ability to zoom climb with ZERO energy is highly suspect.

What a joke. Please post a video of a 109 zoom climbing with zero energy. I dare you. Until you do so, you are nothing but a biased troll. Something tells me we won't see a video of a zoom climb from "ZERO energy" though. I won't hold my breath.

This situation is far from being a realistic portrayal of the situation in the air in the Summer of 1940. If British aircraft performed this poorly, the RAF would have lost the BoB instead of shooting down far more German aircraft despite being completely outnumbered.

The Soviets repelled the Luftwaffe. Were they also flying superior aircraft in 1941? The RAF didn't win because of overwhelmingly superior aircraft. Correlation does not imply causation.