The best (accidental) moves you can make... :)

[K_Freddie]

Done it... Not perfect (cannot expect it to be) but the Observer plane gave the impression that one lost a lot of height (as it follows you up and down) - not so much in this clip.

Who said anything was impossible with IL2

I've put these into video, as I'm not going to give away 'secrets' in the tracks. Not that it's a big secret though - practise a bit

[K_Freddie]

Looking at the clip over and over again .. What comes to mind and it's always been there from what I can remember.

There is too much of a delay between stick/rudder input and a/c reaction (I use no filters and zulch else). I'm sure this reaction time was toned down by Oleg, due to the P51 (it won the war - you know) fanboys whinging about stalling so easy.

Maybe TD can correct this... nudge nudge

[K_Freddie]

Another angle on the last video... not much to debate on the altitude thingy.
Maybe just the reaction time, but this applies to all aircraft, so make the argument null and void.

[K_Freddie]

Have a look at that same video you're referencing - 02:15 -> 02:20
There's a different picture, matching the the last video I've produced ?

One thing about your reference is that we only see it when it's already into the flip... whereas this 02:15 vid we see it from the beginning - A different picture altogether