The best (accidental) moves you can make... :)

[Luno13]

An aileron roll and a snap roll are two totally different things. Everything you pointed out in the video is an aileron roll.

A snap roll involves a rapid pitch-up and copious input of rudder to force one wing into a stall. The asymmetric lift quickens the roll (hence "snap roll" - it happens in a snap).

An aileron roll, despite the name, involves all three control axes (ailerons, elevator, and rudder) in order to keep the airplane traveling at a constant altitude and heading. Aileron rolls are easy to perform, but VERY hard to do as well as in that video.

That flip in the P-38, though cool, has nothing to do with snap rolls.

But those guys are great pilots, yes. In fact, the best I've ever seen in Il-2, thanks for sharing!

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Indeed, Luno is right, there are no snaprolls in that (otherwise impressive) vid.
Aileron- and barrel rolls are both quite easy to do in IL-2.

[K_Freddie]

In the quest for 'snap roll' perfection, here's an improved version.
As I'm using a button for rudder pedals so there is a slight delay in a/c reaction which I tried to synchronise with the elevator.

This little roll does not deviate more than about 75ft. but with proper rudder pedals one can do this on the fly. I know, as I've done it a gazillion times in a FW with my pre-working rudder pedals

Another thing to point out is that that video looks like it was taken at about 10000 ft altitude where the air is thinner (not much more than this as lack of oxygen will make the pilot 'happy'). So I set this test at 3000m with results getting really tight
This about my 10th snap in the KI43 (never flown it before)

[K_Freddie]

Done it... Not perfect (cannot expect it to be) but the Observer plane gave the impression that one lost a lot of height (as it follows you up and down) - not so much in this clip.

Who said anything was impossible with IL2

I've put these into video, as I'm not going to give away 'secrets' in the tracks. Not that it's a big secret though - practise a bit

[K_Freddie]

Looking at the clip over and over again .. What comes to mind and it's always been there from what I can remember.

There is too much of a delay between stick/rudder input and a/c reaction (I use no filters and zulch else). I'm sure this reaction time was toned down by Oleg, due to the P51 (it won the war - you know) fanboys whinging about stalling so easy.

Maybe TD can correct this... nudge nudge

[K_Freddie]

Another angle on the last video... not much to debate on the altitude thingy.
Maybe just the reaction time, but this applies to all aircraft, so make the argument null and void.

[K_Freddie]

Have a look at that same video you're referencing - 02:15 -> 02:20
There's a different picture, matching the the last video I've produced ?

One thing about your reference is that we only see it when it's already into the flip... whereas this 02:15 vid we see it from the beginning - A different picture altogether

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by Luno13

An aileron roll and a snap roll are two totally different things. Everything you pointed out in the video is an aileron roll.

My bad. Thanks for pointing it out.

Originally Posted by Luno13

That flip in the P-38, though cool, has nothing to do with snap rolls.

Yeah, but it was too cool to NOT mention.