4-12 wish list (Merged)

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by IceFire

On what current maps could we use them? How often were they used?

France had more tanks in 1940 than Germany did. After the Armistice, Germany took the better French tanks and used them as second-line units in Russia and elsewhere. Many were converted to mobile artillery guns, artillery tractors or flamethrower tanks, others were used for "internal security" duties in conquered areas, or handed off to German allies.

Also, before the war, some French tanks were sold to other nations.

Likely suspects for modeling, in order of usefulness:

Renault FT-17 - A WW1-vintage tank which was sold to just about every country which didn't have its own tank production facilities, and some that did. It holds the distinction of being the only tank used in both WW1 and WW2, since the Chinese, Finns, French and Yugoslavians were still using them in 1939-41. Additionally, the Japanese used them against the Soviets in Manchuria, and the Republicans used them during the Spanish Civil War. The Germans mostly used them for training purposes or modified them to serve as artillery tractors, but used some in 1944 during the street fighting in Paris.

Renault R-35 - Used by France, Poland, Romania (captured Polish stocks), Hungary and Germany - the last stocks were ultimately used to oppose U.S. forces in Normandy!

Souma S-35 - Used by France, Germany, Italy and Bulgaria. The Germans equipped an entire unit with the S-35 and used it in Finland.

Hotchkiss H-36 - Used by France, Germany, Bulgaria and Israel. Germany used H-36 units in Finland and Yugoslavia. France used them against the U.S. in Morocco.

Maps where French tanks were/might have been deployed include Ardennes, Bessarabia, Finnish Gulf/Leningrad, Manchuria, Normandy and Odessa.

Originally Posted by IceFire

Some practical considerations have to be made. I'm all for adding pretty much anything to the game but I'd rather see some multi use, high value vehicles, tanks, aircraft, and other objects added that can be used in all sorts of areas.

Then a tank like the FT-17 is perfect. As I wrote above, it was used by lots of different nations, and was one of the most ubiquitous pre-war/early-war tanks out there. For any early war mission where you want a inferior light tank which isn't Japanese, the FT-17 makes a reasonable stand-in.

[Ace1staller]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

France had more tanks in 1940 than Germany did. After the Armistice, Germany took the better French tanks and used them as second-line units in Russia and elsewhere. Many were converted to mobile artillery guns, artillery tractors or flamethrower tanks, others were used for "internal security" duties in conquered areas, or handed off to German allies.

Also, before the war, some French tanks were sold to other nations.

Likely suspects for modeling, in order of usefulness:

Renault FT-17 - A WW1-vintage tank which was sold to just about every country which didn't have its own tank production facilities, and some that did. It holds the distinction of being the only tank used in both WW1 and WW2, since the Chinese, Finns, French and Yugoslavians were still using them in 1939-41. Additionally, the Japanese used them against the Soviets in Manchuria, and the Republicans used them during the Spanish Civil War. The Germans mostly used them for training purposes or modified them to serve as artillery tractors, but used some in 1944 during the street fighting in Paris.

Renault R-35 - Used by France, Poland, Romania (captured Polish stocks), Hungary and Germany - the last stocks were ultimately used to oppose U.S. forces in Normandy!

Souma S-35 - Used by France, Germany, Italy and Bulgaria. The Germans equipped an entire unit with the S-35 and used it in Finland.

Hotchkiss H-36 - Used by France, Germany, Bulgaria and Israel. Germany used H-36 units in Finland and Yugoslavia. France used them against the U.S. in Morocco.

Maps where French tanks were/might have been deployed include Ardennes, Bessarabia, Finnish Gulf/Leningrad, Manchuria, Normandy and Odessa.



Then a tank like the FT-17 is perfect. As I wrote above, it was used by lots of different nations, and was one of the most ubiquitous pre-war/early-war tanks out there. For any early war mission where you want a inferior light tank which isn't Japanese, the FT-17 makes a reasonable stand-in.

thanks for backing up my info Pursuivant

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Lagarto

As a matter of fact, the Char B1 tank would be great to have (for the 1940 western front campaign), if only because there's nothing to substitute it with. And there's the Ardennes map to use it on. Or even the Normandy map.

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

France had more tanks in 1940 than Germany did. After the Armistice, Germany took the better French tanks and used them as second-line units in Russia and elsewhere. Many were converted to mobile artillery guns, artillery tractors or flamethrower tanks, others were used for "internal security" duties in conquered areas, or handed off to German allies.

Also, before the war, some French tanks were sold to other nations.

Likely suspects for modeling, in order of usefulness:

Renault FT-17 - A WW1-vintage tank which was sold to just about every country which didn't have its own tank production facilities, and some that did. It holds the distinction of being the only tank used in both WW1 and WW2, since the Chinese, Finns, French and Yugoslavians were still using them in 1939-41. Additionally, the Japanese used them against the Soviets in Manchuria, and the Republicans used them during the Spanish Civil War. The Germans mostly used them for training purposes or modified them to serve as artillery tractors, but used some in 1944 during the street fighting in Paris.

Renault R-35 - Used by France, Poland, Romania (captured Polish stocks), Hungary and Germany - the last stocks were ultimately used to oppose U.S. forces in Normandy!

Souma S-35 - Used by France, Germany, Italy and Bulgaria. The Germans equipped an entire unit with the S-35 and used it in Finland.

Hotchkiss H-36 - Used by France, Germany, Bulgaria and Israel. Germany used H-36 units in Finland and Yugoslavia. France used them against the U.S. in Morocco.

Maps where French tanks were/might have been deployed include Ardennes, Bessarabia, Finnish Gulf/Leningrad, Manchuria, Normandy and Odessa.



Then a tank like the FT-17 is perfect. As I wrote above, it was used by lots of different nations, and was one of the most ubiquitous pre-war/early-war tanks out there. For any early war mission where you want a inferior light tank which isn't Japanese, the FT-17 makes a reasonable stand-in.

Sounds like a decent addition then! Point well made!

[DuxCorvan]

That said, I sorely miss some French birdies... Flyable MS 406/410, French Curtiss, some Bloch fighters, and the D.520, also for the Vichy thing... And AI stuff like Mureaux recons, fast two-engined Potez bombers and fighters, those interesting Breguet 690s... We have nothing of that kind...

And PLEASE, fix the PZL... Cr@plane as it was, it's still TOO helpless in this game, it flies like an U-2... And that cockpit just doesn't belong in this game.

I see interesting and nice ideas around here.

Thank, guys.

[Lagarto]

Talking of French birdies... my choice would be Potez 63 - exported to Greece and Romania, saw more extensive service. The Romanians used them against the USSR and the Greeks against Italy.

[JimmyBlonde]

Originally Posted by DuxCorvan

and the D.520,

This!

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by DuxCorvan

That said, I sorely miss some French birdies...

But, ground vehicles are a lot simpler to model and get into the game.

Anyhow, Francophiles will get a "French" fighter when the H75A becomes flyable, although I too would love to see a flyable MS.406/410 and D.520.

Another "French" plane which wouldn't require that much work to be flyable/get in the game is the DB-7 (AKA A-20 Havoc). The main problems are that it would need a different cockpit and the gunners stations would need to be reworked.

[Ace1staller]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

But, ground vehicles are a lot simpler to model and get into the game.

Anyhow, Francophiles will get a "French" fighter when the H75A becomes flyable, although I too would love to see a flyable MS.406/410 and D.520.

Another "French" plane which wouldn't require that much work to be flyable/get in the game is the DB-7 (AKA A-20 Havoc). The main problems are that it would need a different cockpit and the gunners stations would need to be reworked.

Definitely th D 520 is my favorite french airplane I would love to see that and the Bloch MB 152 flyable

[Patton521]

Here is a few things I'd like to see the in 4.12 patch.

1. Reworked maps
2. New maps to cover all theaters of operations, specifically the ETO and MTO.
3. Give all aircraft there proper airspeed.
4. Reworked and/or new campaigns based of the type of aircraft the player is flying. i.e level bombers will be assigned to attack railyards, factories, troop concentrations while dive bombers attack road convoys, bridges, ships and so on. Its just really strange having a He-111 attack a bridge when thats the job of a Stuka.
5. More then two-three flyable aircraft in offline campaigns.
6. Have the AI aircraft have the same amount of ammo that players do and make the AI abide by the same laws of physics the players have, the AI have to deal with engine overheat,fix the AIs annoying ability to see behind them when the player is in a blind spot and the aircraft has no tail radar.
7. Please fix the trigger in all P-47 models, it has a trigger to fire all 8 guns not two triggers to fire all eight.
8. Please organize the objects in the full mission builder so that all objects are in categories i.e all airfield related objects are in the same category, all vehicles are in the same category, and so-on.
9. Fix the annoying engine overheat every 5 seconds with jet aircraft.
10. Fix the ground bump, not all of Earth is a plowed field.
11. Remove the bomb racks from aircraft when the aircraft isn't carrying bombs.
12. Fix the radiators causing massive drag on certain aircraft when the radiator is aerodynamically designed not to cause drag.
13. Fix the damage modelling so that two machine gun rounds don't automatically disable control surfaces like the rudder.

[Fighterace]

Me-410 flyable
FW-Dora 9 w/ bigger tail
Griffon engine spitfires