Bomber pilots!one step forward!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

just saw ATAG_something and Warhoud? announce that the bomb sites are working perfecly now..

[Blackdog_kt]

If you want to test the bombsights, bomb from at least 4000-5000 meters of altitude. The problem was that the bombsight was missing the high altitude adjustment for bomb trajectories, so if you bomb from low altitudes you are not really testing much

I did a very quick and dirty run: start the FMB, place two waypoints, Ju88 airstart with a full bomb load.

I am pleased to say that even though i was being very very sloppy (i was in a hurry), i still managed to get half my bombs within the perimeter of Manston.

I will do more testing tomorrow. I think that in a normal situation (well trimmed aircraft, time for the autopilot to settle, etc, instead of airstart and rushing to set engines, bombsight and bomb release settings in half a minute like i did in my test) it will be possible to accurately bomb from 5000 meters or more. Especially if you have wingmen with you to saturate the target.

[chantaje]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

If you want to test the bombsights, bomb from at least 4000-5000 meters of altitude. The problem was that the bombsight was missing the high altitude adjustment for bomb trajectories, so if you bomb from low altitudes you are not really testing much

I did a very quick and dirty run: start the FMB, place two waypoints, Ju88 airstart with a full bomb load.

I am pleased to say that even though i was being very very sloppy (i was in a hurry), i still managed to get half my bombs within the perimeter of Manston.

I will do more testing tomorrow. I think that in a normal situation (well trimmed aircraft, time for the autopilot to settle, etc, instead of airstart and rushing to set engines, bombsight and bomb release settings in half a minute like i did in my test) it will be possible to accurately bomb from 5000 meters or more. Especially if you have wingmen with you to saturate the target.

in the last version i used IAS as input in the bombsight to hit the target, it appear that now to hit it i need to input the TAS, anyone else is experiencing this??
sorry for the ot

[SG1_Lud]

[OT]
We did make several runs yesterday at different altitudes in the He-111 H-2 and everything is working as intended so far.

We observed that the bombs fall and exploded in the correct order, the spacing was also correct, that makes me believe that not only the sight, but all the code has been completely revised.

Tests done up to 3.500 m so far, with one human in pilot's seat and another in the bombardier. Smooth as silk.

This patch is a milestone in COD's development.
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David, we have in our squad a wing of dedicated pilot for bombers, if not I would gladly join you. BTW, how about some joint ops between you ad us guys?

S!

[David198502]

Originally Posted by SG1_Lud

[OT]
We did make several runs yesterday at different altitudes in the He-111 H-2 and everything is working as intended so far.

We observed that the bombs fall and exploded in the correct order, the spacing was also correct, that makes me believe that not only the sight, but all the code has been completely revised.

Tests done up to 3.500 m so far, with one human in pilot's seat and another in the bombardier. Smooth as silk.

This patch is a milestone in COD's development.
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David, we have in our squad a wing of dedicated pilot for bombers, if not I would gladly join you. BTW, how about some joint ops between you ad us guys?

S!

sounds excellent!

[Allons!]

Originally Posted by SG1_Lud

[OT] BTW, how about some joint ops between you ad us guys? S!

Hi Lud, did any Staffel test if formations work fps-wise?

And i would recomend a Geschwader-day on ATAG..

[David198502]

no need to fly on atag exclusively....we now gave 71st squad our missions to run on their server which is now called something like 71st-ACG combined server....historical missions with a nice historical map template,good ai,...certainly an alternative to atag.

[ATAG_Keller]

He-111 bombsight seems to be working well with 8 x SC 250kg bombs, more testing required with the 50kg bombs.

I have done 4 bomb runs with the 250's at varying altitudes (4200 - 5500m) and the bombsight was right on target, the one run I did with the 50kg bombs from 4500m fell well short of the target.

[SG1_Lud]

Originally Posted by Allons!

Hi Lud, did any Staffel test if formations work fps-wise?

And i would recomend a Geschwader-day on ATAG..

@Allons, sorry I missed your post. Yes no problems with fps flying in formation. We are doing more tests these days and will report back

@David, great I will contact you (through sandokito).

@Blackdog: yes your method is good and works.

Just to have another in your bag of tricks, if you plan to use precalculated TAS, I confirmed that if you calculate TAS taking OAT (outside air temperature into account) into account, the results are perfect.

Here you are a good resource for doing the maths:
http://www.luizmonteiro.com/Altimetry.aspx#TrueAirspeed

So in your bombing run, switch to your pilot position, and check the OAT in your upper left panel, input that value and correct the TAS with the deviation from the standard atmosphere.

Now, the wind. As we know, we have to correct the TAS with the front component of the Wind speed to obtain GS.

But another thing I noticed in my test ( and I believe that the devs modelled ), is that because the form factor of the bombs and the aircraft are completely different, and the trajectory of the bomb makes it face the wind in the worst aerodynamic manner possible, the effect of the wind on the bombs can not be estimated as easy as using GS as input. If you use GS the bombs will fall short.

Unless the devs model a drift compensation, it needs to be tabulated. You have to lower it a little to compensate that effect, in my tests 15 km/h for 10 m/s and 20 km/h for 20 m/s wind, but take that values as a start point as I did not have the time to measure them precisely.

Bear in my mind that this was for a mission with 250 kg bombs, a constant flow of wind from surface to 10 km, and no gusts and no changes of wind directions. If you program a mission with all these possible features, the thing gets more and more complicated.

I agree with Keller that IMO the 250 kg bombs should do more damage- Did not test the 50 kg bombs yet, but I think as Blackdog that you have to compensate manually and build tables from experimentation.

Very happy with the sim now.

[David198502]

i just wanted to say, thx ZG26 for your cooperation with JG26&ACG.

its great fun to fly with you guys and cover you.

to all other bomber pilots, we are still searching for bombers to escort.
we now have a regular event every week, where ACG(No.501,No64,JG26) and ZG26 fly with/against each other on our 71st-ACG combined server.
it alternates every week between Wednesday and Thursday.
Next event is Thursday 7pm GMT.

All are welcome, fighterpilots as well on both sides.