SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

The peaceful life I've lived was bought by the men (and women) before me who bled and suffered. Unfortunately I never really thought about it till I've gotten a bit older.

Public service should not be considered servitude nor slavery, just responsiblity.

What have I done to ensure that my children can have the same advantages that I have enjoyed? Not much? Now that I am probably past it, I wish I had done more.

Who was it that said something like "Those who aren't preparded to fight for peace and freedom will neither deserve nor will they get either."

look im not saying it would be bad for people to CHOOSE to volunteer, and maybe you need some more organized uncorruptible local organization as an outlet for people who choose to to such work to go to...

btw your quote is irrelevant since if your govt imposes mandatory service unto you, then you are not free.....

but the SECOND you make it mandatory or compulsory you are infringing on the rights of others....and what about people who refuse...do you throw them in jail (kidnap, hold them against their will, in mediocre to poor conditions at the expense of the state) do you fine them (steal)??

MAYBE if you think such mandatory service is a good thing maybe you should BE the change that you want to see....why dont you start doing so if you havent already....


by the way, a program like this would only take away paying job....but thats the idea...the state not only wants us to pay a large % of our income to them, but they also want us to work for them as well (Rahm Emanuel and Obama both want mandatory service)

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by tk471138

btw your quote is irrelevant since if your govt imposes mandatory service unto you, then you are not free.....

No one is 'free'. We all live in society and are all bound by the restrictions of our laws, culture and social expectations. Depending upon which system we live under we are given 'freedoms' to pursue our lives in the way we see fit - in limited areas. We call them our rights.

In pre-school children are taught that even though they have their rights, with them come responsibilites. Now even though we hope people will choose to meet their responsibilites if they fail to do so those responsibilities will be forced upon them by the full weight of the systrem (law culture and social expectaions).

Now my original comment was light hearted dig at the youth of today (you can tell by the ) who are all (without exception) G-D Tree Hugging Neo-Hippies and could all do with decent haircuts and a good couple of years in National service.

All your comments merely re-enforce my views.

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

No one is 'free'. We all live in society and are all bound by the restrictions of our laws, culture and social expectations. Depending upon which system we live under we are given 'freedoms' to pursue our lives in the way we see fit - in limited areas. We call them our rights.

In pre-school children are taught that even though they have their rights, with them come responsibilites. Now even though we hope people will choose to meet their responsibilites if they fail to do so those responsibilities will be forced upon them by the full weight of the systrem (law culture and social expectaions).

Now my original comment was light hearted dig at the youth of today (you can tell by the ) who are all (without exception) G-D Tree Hugging Neo-Hippies and could all do with decent haircuts and a good couple of years in National service.

All your comments merely re-enforce my views.

you view of freedom is foolish and does not equate to freedom....


THE only real responsibility or obligation you have in a free society is to NOT encroach or infringe on the rights of others,

also to follow through with what ever legal contracts you have knowingly entered into....

their is no preconditions you must meet or other obligations you must fulfill in order to be allowed to exercise your rights or to gain your status as a free individual....again your freedom is innate...its creator endowed....


you seem to be the opposit of "freedom loving" i mean you are even critical of the way people choose to look... i mean seriously....

i mean so many people here have NO IDEA on the principles of a truly free society...most of you lack any historical understanding as well...i am blown away by the misconceptions posted here in this thread, and the people ignorant about something they should be cherishing, and that is their freedom (or for some here, the potential freedom that they could have, should they choose to exercise it, regardless of what some law says)