SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I have met people with collections in excess of 300 guns, does that make them nutters or idiots?

Yes, I think it makes them nutters and idiots and I do think people who want to collect firearms have personality problems.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

Yes, I think it makes them nutters and idiots and I do think people who want to collect firearms have personality problems.

well bravo, idiotic self-righteousness has a new face, yours.

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

well bravo, idiotic self-righteousness has a new face, yours.

Lol. Why are my views idiotic and self-righteous exactly?

[JG4_Helofly]

If guns protect freedom, where were the guns when the patriot act was signed? Where were the guns when the big banks got bailed out? Where were the guns when the Fed recieved all it's power? Etc.

In the US you talk alot about freedom, but there are very powerfull institutions in the government or in the private sector who take this freedom from you, but nothing happens. Why?

Btw. I have the highest respect for the "occupy wallstreet" people. But they didn't need guns to make a point.

[csThor]

No, I have never fired a weapon (wasn't conscripted, either, due to health reasons) nor do I intend to. And to answer your question yes, I'd consider someone owning 300 weapons a person in dire need of psych evaluation. And to derail your other rather far-off analogy you only need to take a look at all of Germany's history to understand why privately owned weapons never were and never will be seeing any kind of grand social acceptance here. Us Krauts aren't a society of revolutionaries - we've had two revolutions in our entire history, the French had more in a single year IIRC - so the idea that privately owned weapons would have prevented Hitler ... Pardon, but Bullsh*t!

Since my words have apparently touched a nerve and I have no intention of being dragged into a flamefest I hereby do the clever thing and say goodbye to this thread.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by csThor

No, I have never fired a weapon (wasn't conscripted, either, due to health reasons) nor do I intend to.

I figured as much.

And to answer your question yes, I'd consider someone owning 300 weapons a person in dire need of psych evaluation.

so, you have no experience, and still you feel the right to say whether someone who has an interest different than yours is in need of psych evaluation. Sounds terribly like Germany in the early 30s to me..

And to derail your other rather far-off analogy you only need to take a look at all of Germany's history to understand why privately owned weapons never were and never will be seeing any kind of grand social acceptance here. Us Krauts aren't a society of revolutionaries - we've had two revolutions in our entire history, the French had more in a single year IIRC - so the idea that privately owned weapons would have prevented Hitler ... Pardon, but Bullsh*t!

Since my words have apparently touched a nerve and I have no intention of being dragged into a flamefest I hereby do the clever thing and say goodbye to this thread.

If there's one thing that is really cool about Germany is that in all their decisions (good and bad), they've always been "Ein Volk", and the orderly mentality of Germany hardly marries with the idea of revolution. Gun ownership wouldn't have made a difference anyway cos the majority of people in Germany were pro-Hitler..

The problem is that you're still giving the wrong meaning to gun ownership, something you actually know NOTHING about, but still feel like you can give your uninformed opinion because of God knows what reason.

And yeah, nice way of flipping things around, I think you're leaving because you realise you actually don't have a valid argument. Funny that your avatar is a hunter with a gun though, isn't it?

[Sternjaeger II]

I still really do wonder what these anti-guns preachers are doing here in a military combat simulator where they fire with cannons and machineguns at other aircraft.. why you're not using Flight Simulator or X-Plane?

[F19_Klunk]

Of course u understand that Stern... I have higher thoughts of u (or anybody else in this forum) than that. Of course u understand that people can discern fiction from facts. Just because I don't like the notion that firearms are free for all to buy with no restrictions, doesn't mean I don't enjoy a good action movie or can't be interested in combat flight sims... I am SURE you understand that.. your just trying to make a point mate

[kendo65]

Given the vehemence of the arguments here on both sides, can I offer a hypothetical question...

There has been a lot of talk about the need for guns to defend oneself/family/freedom from a government gone wrong or bad, with the implication being that the U.S. may at some point in the future (if not already according to some people) be ruled by such a government.

In such a scenario those in favour of gun ownership see themselves as potential defenders of freedom.

Here's the hypothetical bit: supposing that after several more shooting incidents of the kind seen recently a big majority of the US population and both main parties switched to advocating stronger gun control. Supposing that a democratically elected government expressing the will of the majority of the people enacted to enforce these measures.

What do you do? Do you reluctantly admit to the democratic will of the people? In such circumstances you can hardly see yourselves as still upholding freedom and democracy?

(I suppose what I'm getting at is that in Europe there seems to be more of a distrust and fear of loose amalgams of people or organisations that may be armed to the teeth and possess certain political views than there is of democratically elected governments. The general mindset here is that we need good governments to protect the population from whatever rag-bag set of extremists with a grievance that may come along...and that consequently it is wise to limit the availability of guns so that such extremists can not challenge democratically controlled police and armed forces)

[von Pilsner]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I still really do wonder what these anti-guns preachers are doing here in a military combat simulator where they fire with cannons and machineguns at other aircraft.. why you're not using Flight Simulator or X-Plane?

Come on, you know the difference between games and reality.