SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by csThor

The weapons fetish of some people, and the US as a whole, and the vehemence with which people defend it never ceases to amaze and shock me. I, for example, am quite thankful for the strict german laws on weapons ownership and wouldn't mind seeing them made even stricter (to prevent weapons caches with dozens of guns).

But that, I guess, is the fundamental difference in cultures and upbringing.

I'm sorry but your attitude is pathetic. What shocks me is how disrespectful some people are towards other people's interests. Just because you don't like firearms it doesn't mean that they're bad or not moral. I for one wouldn't be too happy to think that my government, which I elected and gave power to give me a better society, doesn't trust me with my own fundamental rights and decides to deprive me of stuff for the sake of better (theirs) control, not safety. You really need to be blind not to see this.

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

Breathtaking!! I thought you didn't like racism Stern? Are you a higher crime risk then?

nope, unfortunately there's immigrant and immigrant, even if people are SO scared of making distinctions based on race and provenience here (and it's not like they don't think of them, it's just that they don't have the attributes to voice them cos they're not politically correct).. if anything I provide this country with highly specialised work skills that locals are too lazy to learn, and my taxes go towards many of those lazy useless waste of spaces out there that live off benefits, so bite me.

[F19_Klunk]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I...and my taxes go towards many of those lazy useless waste of spaces out there that live off benefits, so bite me.

..which ... for the record.. has difference "provenience", including native.

Actually, I don't really have the time for this.. good to debate/talk with ya guys.. have fun and see you when patch is released

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by F19_Klunk

..which ... for the record.. has difference "provenience", including native.

oh yes, don't get me wrong, I don't make any distinction there, they're all the same parasites, no matter what colour, gender, religion... but then again it's the government that nannies them into this "don't worry, we'll give you a house, some money and all the benefits you need so you don't have to worry".

A year ago I parked in front of my house, my neighbours at the time were some single mum on benefits with a useless 17 years old son that spent all day smoking weed and bumming around, there was a van to do the loft insulation in their house. I had an estimate the week before and they asked a staggering £450, so I wondered how they could afford it: I saw the van guy coming out and asked what was it all about, and he said "it's the government man, they're on benefits so they don't pay for it".. how can a working, honest, tax paying citizen take that crap day in and out boggles my mind..

[csThor]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I'm sorry but your attitude is pathetic. What shocks me is how disrespectful some people are towards other people's interests. Just because you don't like firearms it doesn't mean that they're bad or not moral. I for one wouldn't be too happy to think that my government, which I elected and gave power to give me a better society, doesn't trust me with my own fundamental rights and decides to deprive me of stuff for the sake of better (theirs) control, not safety. You really need to be blind not to see this.

Although I do not wish to add more fuel to an already burning fire I must say I find your attitude rather sad (to put it mildly) and I really pity people like you who feel threatened by their own government to the point that they insist on owning arms on the nebulous principle that "the big bad government" wants to limit one's personal freedom. I'm not a blind believer in the good of governments, I know they're sodders, but I don't see owning weapons as a way to solve that problem.

I have no problems with hunters owning weapons (not owning them would make that profession rather pointless, wouldn't it?) or people who like sportive shooting as a hobby. I do believe, however, that there is no need for anyone to own assault rifles, MGs or even more than one or two handguns (like, for example, the father of the young man who committed the massacre of Winnenden a few years back - the idiot owned 17 handguns!). I don't see shooting clubs as an evil itself, but it is my heartfelt impression that too many privately owned weapons are a mere boost for the owner's self-esteem, a d*** replacement or an imagined cure for real or imagined faults of character/body/whatever.

[Canine]

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Originally Posted by csThor
The weapons fetish of some people, and the US as a whole,


2000 WWII vet's die each day; remember what they did for your right to think the way you do. It could have been a different story and, your thinking could be along the lines of; ...."if we just had a gun it could have been different."

I'm proud to be an American and I would gladly serve another 22 years to allow you to continue to think the way you do..............!

Just don't stereotype all Americans as having a weapons fetish. My house is protected by Smith and Wesson but I don't eat, sleep, drink guns.

Guns don't kill people.....People kill people!

~S~

[nearmiss]

The problem with partial gun control.. it is just a first step towards total gun control.

Give the politicians an inch they take a mile. It is very difficult to rescind laws in the US, because there are so many political influences and special interests enjoined to preserve status quo, and acquire new influences.
That is probably the most important reason people are so set against government interventions.

Recently, the mayor of New York made it illegal to serve soft drinks over 16 ounces, because sugar is a contributor to diabetes. The government in many instances has gone over the top with the "nanny state". Even the presidents wife tried to do away with kids meals at McDonalds and french fries.

Sadly, defending against such political arrogance and ignorance has become a frustration for Americans. Simple basic freedom choices are under constant attack from radicalized thinkers empowered in America.

Gun Control is at the top of their list, and who knows what comes behind that. Maybe they will demand that aborted fetuses be ground into hot dogs. I saw a crazy video on youtube a while back where something along these lines about fetuses were being used in hotdogs. You can't believe everything or you'll become a scizo.

There have always been partial gun controls in US as local levels. NYC has ordinance for years that prohibits guns in bars and nightclubs.

Washington, DC has had a myriad of problems with their local gun statutes, because people are still getting killed by the crooks with the guns.

There have always been local communities that have stiffer prison sentences for persons using guns in the commission of crime. Those penalties aren't applied as they should be, because prisons are too full.

In the US there are 750 prisoners per 100,000 persons as compared to England 153 prisoners per person, in Japan 63 prisoners per 100,000 persons.

Drugs is a huge problem in US and there are overwhelming large numbers of people in the prisons just for possession of drugs. These are non-personal crimes that for the most part harm no one.

American government representatives are almost all lawyers, and there are more lawyers per capita in the US than any nation in the world. So, yeah I guess that is a factor.

In 1980 the number of people in prisons in the US was 150 per 100,000 persons. That is an enormous increase over the past 30 years.

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by csThor

however, that there is no need for anyone to own assault rifles

The problem with this is that the only thing that often separates the two are appearances. The same innards and guts are exactly the same. Just the handles and stock. Some are fine finished wood then just swap it out and you have carbon fiber stock and it looks menacing. Now that is what I call judgmental and very silly. On the inside it is exactly the same thing.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by csThor

Although I do not wish to add more fuel to an already burning fire I must say I find your attitude rather sad (to put it mildly) and I really pity people like you who feel threatened by their own government to the point that they insist on owning arms on the nebulous principle that "the big bad government" wants to limit one's personal freedom. I'm not a blind believer in the good of governments, I know they're sodders, but I don't see owning weapons as a way to solve that problem.

Ha, if there's someone who should be very weary of governments here is you man, you live in a country whose government... well you know what happened, don't you?

I have no problems with hunters owning weapons (not owning them would make that profession rather pointless, wouldn't it?)

Hunting is not a profession.

or people who like sportive shooting as a hobby. I do believe, however, that there is no need for anyone to own assault rifles, MGs or even more than one or two handguns (like, for example, the father of the young man who committed the massacre of Winnenden a few years back - the idiot owned 17 handguns!).

obviously you don't understand the concept of collecting. I have met people with collections in excess of 300 guns, does that make them nutters or idiots? Hardly. They just have interests and hobbies different from yours, so have some respect for that.

I don't see shooting clubs as an evil itself, but it is my heartfelt impression that too many privately owned weapons are a mere boost for the owner's self-esteem, a d*** replacement or an imagined cure for real or imagined faults of character/body/whatever.

once again, you probably never handled a firearm or frequented a shooting club. The fact that you think of guns as a boost for self-esteem makes you sick, not the others. Gun clubs and training schools teach you to respect and fear firearms.

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I have met people with collections in excess of 300 guns, does that make them nutters or idiots?

Yes, I think it makes them nutters and idiots and I do think people who want to collect firearms have personality problems.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

Yes, I think it makes them nutters and idiots and I do think people who want to collect firearms have personality problems.

well bravo, idiotic self-righteousness has a new face, yours.