SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Expecting them to actually be aware of what they do and make a concious choice here, THAT is what is utopian.

He was 19 for christ's sake! That's a grown man, not a child.

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Absolutely, but as you know, everybody makes mistakes. That, too, is human nature.

[ATAG_Doc]

The bottom line is don't go thug'in!

[SYN_Flashman]

A few pages back someone mentioned pepper spray.

Ive used it when confronting some violent people attacking a man lying on the ground having his head stamped on. The attackers, of whom there were several were all physically larger than me.... and Im 6ft and weigh 190lbs... in fact one of them (the one armed with a big piece of wood he was using to bash the poor victim with!) appeared to enjoy steriods with every meal.

The spray worked immediately and they ran off (rather than turning on me.....thankfully!) and were apprehended later. One of them didnt run that far as he couldn't see very well. All in all its not bad stuff and in the UK its illegal for civilians to own.

However, i'd rather not have to rely on it to confront a gun toting loon or a bear. Frankly were I live both situations are unlikely. Though the badgers can be quite angry.....

Anyhoo, back the very original post. Good work on the skeet shooting that man! If only I was half as good with my shotgun.....

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by swiss

I had this opportunity quite often - they were supposed to be empty tho.

What was the story behind it?

Marrokkon Dude not happy about us three cleaning up a parking lot after a party and his car not being able to pull out. He "commanded" me to get the dirt bags away that were in his path. When I did not comply, he pulled a gun. There simply can't be a more banal way to get a gun to your forehead, at the midst of day right in front of our scool (back then, I was 18 ).

The two others stepped back, I stayed and stared him down, telling him to put that playtool away and just leave. Which he did after a minute of pointing that gun at me. He then just drove over those bins in defiance.

Originally Posted by swiss

He was 19 for christ's sake! That's a grown man, not a child.

I know people who were more grown up then me today when they were 20. I know peope with the age of 40 who are not grown up to this very day. What you look for is not grown up, but maturity. And that often is completely independent of age. You just have to check this forum for getting a feeling of how mature many folks here actually are. And matureness is not something entirely up to you. And just because we generally say 18 is the mark to be grown up, there is no magic button that is activated and makes you a grown man once you actually turn 18.

Say, Swiss, what is it with you and easy death, btw? Death here, klling populations there, death there, death in a second, death yeeehaw. Switzerland is an incredible boring and uptight place (incredible beautiful nevertheless), I give you that, been there often enough. But it can't be THAT boring.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Say, Swiss, what is it with you and easy death, btw? Death here, klling populations there, death there, death in a second, death yeeehaw. Switzerland is an incredible boring and uptight place, I give you that, but it can't be "THAT" boring.

I fail to see any relation between hating humans and boredom.
Maybe I am, in your view, the proof some people are born evil.

Movie rec.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEFj0Pngu_E

edit:

And another hero

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYA78ss-B-o

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by swiss

I fail to see any relation between hating humans and boredom.
Maybe I am, in your view, the proof some people are born evil.

Movie rec.:

Iiiiiii give you a hint. Forming your view on the world based on Hollywood usually is not such a good idea =)

And no, you are as harmless as can be. Barking dogs don't bite. The quite, really quite ones is who concern me most. Those who can't get their inner pressure out verbally.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Iiiiiii give you a hint. Forming your view on the world based on Hollywood usually is not such a good idea =)

uh-uh

And no, you are as harmless as can be. Barking dogs don't bite. The quite, really quite ones is who concern me most. Those who can't get their inner pressure out verbally.

Doesn't always need pressure kill, some do it for fun*.
But of course you'd feel sorry even for a serial killer.
Anyway, I don't feel like spending 15yrs in jail, so I'll just keep barking.

*Back in the 90's a close friend of mine was invited to a manhunt in India. At first he thought the other guy was joking - he wasn't...
Such things exist.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Marrokkon Dude not happy about us three cleaning up a parking lot after a party and his car not being able to pull out. He "commanded" me to get the dirt bags away that were in his path. When I did not comply, he pulled a gun. There simply can't be a more banal way to get a gun to your forehead, at the midst of day right in front of our scool (back then, I was 18 ).

The two others stepped back, I stayed and stared him down, telling him to put that playtool away and just leave. Which he did after a minute of pointing that gun at me. He then just drove over those bins in defiance.

That's exactly my point mate: a thug pulls a gun to your temple cos in a society with no guns he knows you and/or your mates won't have one.
In a society with a gun ban the thugs will still have thir guns, so I don't see why I should deprive law abiding citizen of the right to self defence. Nobody is forcing you to have one, but if you want you can and it can save you and the people around you.

I'm sorry you had such an awful experience, but it wouldn't have been any different in a society with a gun ban.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

That's exactly my point mate: a thug pulls a gun to your temple cos in a society with no guns he knows you and/or your mates won't have one.
In a society with a gun ban the thugs will still have thir guns, so I don't see why I should deprive law abiding citizen of the right to self defence. Nobody is forcing you to have one, but if you want you can and it can save you and the people around you.

I'm sorry you had such an awful experience, but it wouldn't have been any different in a society with a gun ban.

Pfff, you do not think even for a minute if I had a gun with me at that time the situation would have been any better, now do you? The greatest weapon you have in such a case is psychology, pure and simple. Had I tried to draw a weapon there you can bet the seriousness level would have been driven up threefold. It at least would have become way more unpredictable. Here we had a teen who only had a gun at his disposal to defend his pride. He was small, weak, without that gun I just could have punched him in the face and that would have been that. One reason why I can't stand guns, because they make the greatest whimp a "strong" man. Pathethic.

And the end result of a development of this kind would be that not one Marrokon, but many more would have a gun. You seem to forget that even nuclear weapons resulted not in one side backing down, but an arms race to the very end, with all the costs that involved. Also, the US does not exactly prove your predictions right.
You gotta think outside the individual sitation, Stern. Just because it may be preferrable to have more options in one situation that does not mean that it improves your or your relatives life in the long term. In fact, it may make life much more dangerous in general.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

And the end result of a development of this kind would be that not one Marrokon, but many more would have a gun.

?!

In Switzerland citizens of certain nationalities can never obtain a gun legally.

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