SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by rhinomonkey

Seriously, do you really believe that nonsense? universal healthcare will not lead to communism! Just goes to show the level of brain washing that the US has had to suffer due to a string of right wing governments.

Most of Europe has universal state healthcare and are far from communist. The UK has had a national health service since 1948 and has never come even close to being a communist country. The Health service in the US is pitiful compared to the rest of the developed world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_...ther_countries

A communist country has a 100% planned economy which means the state decides the level of demand rather then the free market. Introducing universal healthcare is not going to tear down the very fabric of the US market led economy, in fact it may help as a large proportion of bankrupsy in the US is due to not being able to meet healthcare costs.

Communism usually comes hand in hand with a brutal totalitarian regime. I think the USA is in no danger of turning into that kind of state.

since everyone's health care is collectivized , that paves the way for govt to say...well since everyone pays for everyone else, the risky activities and habits that we have no longer affect the individual but now everyone in some way or another.... they will try and outlaw certain things...

next you will see people trying it limit salt or red meat intake, all because some people MIGHT get sick and incur health care costs, that since collectivized health care they can now argue effects everyone....


but yea who cares about protecting the rights of the individual....

its called a slippery slope....

enjoy living in your new collective...or commune...same thing really....

it is clear that you are vastly misinformed...you can start your research on the FDA and how corrupt and a joke that organization is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0CQr...0&feature=plcp

i mean i guess the problem with health care is ONLY the fact that we didnt have govt intervention....you know it has nothing to do with the FDA being run by drug companies and big agricultural companies....you know it has nothing to do with the influx of GMO crops that we ALL consume now...it has nothing to do with doctors largely abandoning the practice of charity care....O NO the real problem is that the federal govt has not gotten involved, cuz after all they fix everything they touch right....i guess its not a big deal that the FDA sends armed officers to harass and infringe on the rights of natural food growers and sellers...i guess its normal that the FDA would go after raw dairy products, and impose harsh sentences upon those who go against the regulations that the bureaucrats in the fda deem necessary (you know not congress the only governing body that is supposed to be able to create laws)

I guess its normal to go after cherry growers for simply linking to a peer reviewed study that shows cherries has certain benefits....

i guess its normal that supplement makers can not even post the truth about what the vitamins and minerals do for the body...

i guess its normal for a govt in a supposedly free society to force medicate its people through putting fluoride in the water(look at the cases of dental fluorosis in young people, i guess that is normal too)

i mean every time the federal govt gets involved in our lives it makes everything better right...just look at education and how much that has improved since the federal govt got involved...O WAIT the opposite is true....



its clear that most of you people have no idea how destructive the govt is ...it seems that the only thing you fools knows is what ever the mainstreammedia decides to tell you and nothing more...i guess you people cant be bothered to find the truth and would rather blindly put your faith in a bunch of people who want nothing more than to impose their will upon you and your family....


by the way Hitler Stallin Lennin Mao they would all agree gun control is good and gun control WORKS!!! just look at what those great men have done to their people..

[Sternjaeger II]

guys why don't you start another thread about healthcare?

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by tk471138

since everyone's health care is collectivized , that paves the way for govt to say...well since everyone pays for everyone else, the risky activities and habits that we have no longer affect the individual but now everyone in some way or another.... they will try and outlaw certain things...

next you will see people trying it limit salt or red meat intake, all because some people MIGHT get sick and incur health care costs, that since collectivized health care they can now argue effects everyone....


but yea who cares about protecting the rights of the individual....

its called a slippery slope....

enjoy living in your new collective...or commune...same thing really....

Only if it is placed in government institutions. Over here it is run by independent non profit organisations, whose simple goal is too keep tarifs at exactly the heights produced by costs. This organisations may react to public pressure (for example currently they run a huge surpolus and there is the argument going if to give the money back to the people by loweing tarifs or safeguard the money for later times when the age problem will hit Germany harder) but else are indepdendent from governmental bodies. Alternativly you may chose private health insurance to your liking.

The only condition by the state is that you have healthcare to begin with.

Btw, the US already has the western worlds most expensive health care system. Per capita the US spends much more then any other country as well. THere is not a lack of money in your system. It is simply extremly inefficient. That happens when private companies start to run a business where they can make money out of exactly that.

If you broke that system of yours you could have much better conditions for the same money or the same for much less. Instead it's become a black and white question, to be or not to be.

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Only if it is placed in government institutions. Over here it is run by independent non profit organisations, whose simple goal is too keep tarifs at exactly the heights produced by costs. This organisations may react to public pressure (for example currently they run a huge surpolus and there is the argument going if to give the money back to the people by loweing tarifs or safeguard the money for later times when the age problem will hit Germany harder) but else are indepdendent from governmental bodies. Alternativly you may chose private health insurance to your liking.

The only condition by the state is that you have healthcare to begin with.

Btw, the US already has the western worlds most expensive health care system. Per capita the US spends much more then any other country as well. THere is not a lack of money in your system. It is simply extremly inefficient. That happens when private companies start to run a business where they can make money out of exactly that.

If you broke that system of yours you could have much better conditions for the same money or the same for much less. Instead it's become a black and white question, to be or not to be.

what if i choose to NOT have health care as someone in my mid twenties and probably 10x healthier than most americans (i dont drink soda, i dont eat any fast food, i make my own food out of my own ingrediants, not processed premade foods. i dont drink alcohol in excess, and im physically active)

o wait i cant choose to NOT buy a product, otherwise some third party (govt) will impose a fine or tax on me....


whats the difference between a thief stealing your money and a govt taking your money (the fruit of your labor) through threat of violence....NOTHING

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by tk471138

what if i choose to NOT have health care as someone in my mid twenties and probably 10x healthier than most americans (i dont drink soda, i dont eat any fast food, i make my own food out of my own ingrediants, not processed premade foods. i dont drink alcohol in excess, and im physically active)

Then you will be asking for donations like the Colorado shooting victims and/or having the hospitals write off the $100,000s of expenses.

[BaronBonBaron]

0:46 is the last couple pages of this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvv60...0&feature=plcp

[JG4_Helofly]

Very interesting discussion. Didn't know that political topics where allowed in this forum.

Bewolf wrote something very important imo: "And that is positive, why....? Most people here come out of an attack with a broken nose at best. Hardly with bullet holes. But then again, even the criminals here know they do not have to expect a gun when they enter a house, and in return do not feel the need to bring their own. Result...lots of people actually getting old, both victims and criminals, both having chances to actually tell stories to their grandchildren. "

The main problem I see with firearmes is escalation. That's what Bewolf wrote. When stuff like "home defense" with guns is common, then criminals will prepare for that and bring their own.
As a Swiss, I am always amazed how scared americans seem to be. Over here, I know not a single person who feels threatened to a point where he would feel the need for a gun in order to defend himself. The governement is also not seen as a threat.

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by tk471138

what if i choose to NOT have health care as someone in my mid twenties and probably 10x healthier than most americans (i dont drink soda, i dont eat any fast food, i make my own food out of my own ingrediants, not processed premade foods. i dont drink alcohol in excess, and im physically active)

You see in America what is seen as "asserting your rights as an individual" is in most of the rest of the world seen as being a selfish arrogant pr*ck who does not contribute to society, and is out to get whatever they can get for themselves with no concern for the welfare of others.

Australia has had basic centralized health care for over 40 years and even the extreme right wing "big business is good, climate-change denying, White Australia, shoot illegal immigrants on sight" side of politics are not considering getting rid of it.

These discussions are pointless because the American world view is quite distorted and there is no common ground to even start a discussion. These sort of threads can only devolve into name calling and insults and really should be locked from the start.

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

These discussions are pointless because the American world view is quite distorted and there is no common ground to even start a discussion. These sort of threads can only devolve into name calling and insults and really should be locked from the start.

Oh come on Galway. Of course you're right but wheres your sense of humour?
These threads are always great for a laugh.




You've got to laugh otherwise you realise your staring into the pit..........


In other news I see Mitt Romney has been winning friends and influencing people where ever he goes this week.