SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[MadBlaster]

yes, it was little joke. I try to take the cheap shot and offend people whenever I can. its my nature. born street fighter.

You have to remember, our country, USA, was founded on revolution and freedom. Guns, the willingness to fight or die for freedom, this is fundamental. No one supporting gun ownership is saying an armed citizenry will prevent corruption in business or government. It does not make a perfect world. What 2nd amendment is saying is that the people come first. The government is subordinate to the people. And the only way to enforce the people over the government in the final tally is to allow the people to have guns. It's a high stakes poker game for last 200+ years since the founding of the country. It also doesn't guarantee success. Democracy is messy. I fear the people may becomes so apathetic from all the government entitlements, free porn, video games and media circus that they forget why we have the 2nd amendment or why citizens should have guns. So they see this joker dude slaughter bunch of people tv and then have knee jerk reaction for gun control. This debate has been going on for decades and decades too.

[rhinomonkey]

USA gun laws are similar to Canada and other countries but the USA has a far higher gun murder rate. This would suggest that the problem lies with the people or the society in wich they live rather then the laws.

I find it amazing listening to the pro gun arguments. The attitude that gun restrictions are an afront to civil liberties to me sounds like utter madness. It's usually the same people that claim that universal healthcare is an attack on civil liberty! madness!

The only other countries that have high gun ownership and death rate are places in the developing world that suffer from high poverty and very corrupt or non existant government like somalia, afghanistan and south Africa. USA is interesting as it's a developed country and should have moved on by now but in some ways it hasn't. Personally i think that lack of robust health and welfare infastructure and the huge wealth gap may have something to do with it. For a rich country it's still very much dog eat dog.

Personally I would not want to live in a country where everyone felt the need to own firearms.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by rhinomonkey

USA gun laws are similar to Canada and other countries but the USA has a far higher gun murder rate. This would suggest that the problem lies with the people or the society in wich they live rather then the laws.

Well Canada is not like the US, and of course it's all about the people. Firearms per se are just a tool, they don't kill anyone if they're left untouched.

I find it amazing listening to the pro gun arguments. The attitude that gun restrictions are an afront to civil liberties to me sounds like utter madness. It's usually the same people that claim that universal healthcare is an attack on civil liberty! madness!

once again, open a history book, or look for history of gun control in regimes..

Personally I would not want to live in a country where everyone felt the need to own firearms.

it's not about need, it's about freedom to own a gun.

[Verhängnis]

Should we ban kitchen knives too?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Verhängnis

Should we ban kitchen knives too?

they actually tried here in the UK..

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by Verhängnis

Should we ban kitchen knives too?

Can you climb up a bell tower with a kitchen knife and kill 47 people at the University of Texas?

[Verhängnis]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Can you climb up a bell tower with a kitchen knife and kill 47 people at the University of Texas?

The Rwandans managed nearly a million people with machetes, which is like a kitchen knife, slightly bigger I guess... So I guess you could...

[rhinomonkey]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Well Canada is not like the US, and of course it's all about the people. Firearms per se are just a tool, they don't kill anyone if they're left untouched.

Agreed


once again, open a history book, or look for history of gun control in regimes..

Well history tells us that brutal regimes tend not to get overthrown by an armed population. What usually defeats a brutal regime is the military turning against it or a forign power stepping in. I don't think that an armed population on it's own would have that much of a chance against a military on it's own and it would lead to an entrenched drawn out bloody civil war. I also think that it's so unlikely that the population of a modern western democracy would have to defend it's self against it's own millitary, that on it's own its a weak excuse for gun ownership

it's not about need, it's about freedom to own a gun.

You are only free to do what your governments sets out in Law. Ultimate freedom is a misnomer. You are not completely free.
The simple fact is that people use guns to kill other people. the US has a terrible problem with gun murder it would be a responsible act by the governmnet to restrict access to guns. However the USA is a democracy and as such any act needs to be sactioned by the people, so, as long is there isn't the will to restrict guns it wont happen. This is why i couldn't lie in the USA for the same reasons i would not live in Somallia or Afghanistan. Lots of gun death and no restrictions on weapons.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by rhinomonkey

The simple fact is that people use guns to kill other people.

and that sums up the ignorance of many on the topic.

Don't you really think it's ridiculous to express such broad statements on a topic you obviously know nothing about?

[CaptainDoggles]

Aw, how cute, the pro-gun people are ignoring the statistics.

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